User:Strabo412/Archive 6

Debut age
There are several other ages listed on pages like Phoenix Wright article... I think it's a valid idea to post all the ages, which is going to be useful information for any person willing to check. Especially that it can cause quite a confusion, with huge time gaps. Not having all of these listed on a wikia seems like unnecessarily leaving out useful information. We can rephrase "Age during debut" to just "Age", if you think that the way it's called is the problem. Sligneris (talk) 14:08, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, the Phoenix Wright page shouldn't be like that. Thanks for reminding me that I need to take a look at it! Some pages have gone slightly wonky since I left to avoid DD spoilers. Anyways, putting in multiple ages while the field is still called "Age during debut" just looks messy (that would be, I think, six different ages for Phoenix Wright). Age during debut also simplifies what could be a minefield of confusion. If the category is just called "Age", then does that mean I should put in all the ages for that character in all the games they appear in? Or should I expand that to include the age that all characters should be during Dual Destinies, even if they don't appear (which also ties into the whole "possibly deceased" nonsense that needs to be fixed)? What about characters that are just mentioned in one game while appearing in another (like Ema Skye in DD). However, I suppose additional ages could go in, but I think using the mouse-over text option would be better. - Strabo412 (talk) 14:51, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think I'd rather go with each character's age that was listed in in-game court record, that is, the games characters appeared in. We should also mention, in which game characters were in mentioned age. I somehow see it this way, in Phoenix's case, for example:
 * 21 (in Turnabout Memories)
 * 24 (in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney)
 * 25 (in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Justice For All)
 * 26 (in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations)
 * 33 (in Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney)
 * 34 (in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies)
 * Or, in Trucy's case:
 * 8 (seven years before Turnabout Succession) or (in the "Past"/flashback part of Turnabout Succession)
 * 15 (in Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney)
 * 16 (in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies)
 * We could always put the comment regarding the game the age applies to under a *, sure
 * Remember how I also suggested replacing all the "deceased" stuff with Alive/Dead status? It would be "Status" category below the "Age" one. Let us have one for Professor Means.
 * Alive (as of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies) or (as of Turnabout Academy)
 * It would be similar or identical in all non-victim DD characters. Sligneris (talk) 15:49, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * And you don't think that sounds needlessly complicated and horrendously messy? We only just got the character template under control by hiding aliases! I think a better option would be "Age at debut" and "Age at last appearance" (or a better rephrasing of that), and I suppose you could add in a "Most recent appearance" field to go with "Debut". As for "Status", I think that's too close to speculation territory (besides, the "Death" field already covers characters that we know are dead). Unless a character appears I think we should remove the whole speculative "is this character dead, or are they alive?" thing. And I'm pretty sure that's coming from the guy who put most of the "possibly deceased" bits in (even if it wasn't originally my idea)...


 * tl;dr: Why complicate matters? Does it really add anything? - Strabo412 (talk) 22:21, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hm, I don't think it would be too big mess, considering that Phoenix has the biggest amount of these ages than any other character, so it would rarely have more than 6 positions. However, your idea is fine too, I guess. I think the Status thing though is the exact opossite of what you think of it... It was meant to reduce speculation, actually. "Alive" would state they were alive to the point of their last appearance (which is the point of this "as of"). That much, anyone can tell. "Dead" is for all the characters stated as deceased in game, and in this case we would note the first time they are mentioned as such. However you might have the point about the "Death" field... Hm.
 * Whichever way it is, I don't think having either "deceased" or "possibly deceased" stated in the age section is a good idea, especially next to age at the specific point in time. In Dahlia's case, it gives people false impression she died at the age of 20. Sligneris (talk) 16:34, January 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * So... When do we get to implementing any of that? Sligneris (talk) 22:50, January 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, since we haven't actually decided what "any of that is", not quite yet. Also, there should probably be some sort of discussion away from my talk page so other people can have the chance to put in their two cents. But first, in terms of what we could do. I've made a modified version of the "Biological information" section on my sandbox for a couple of characters. Thoughts? One thing I was thinking (but haven't implemented) was to include other ages, but in the form of a collapsible table. That would mean that the debut age would still be first, but with the click of a button, you could see all the other ages past and present. - Strabo412 (talk) 12:46, January 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hm... I think with the "Status" right below the age, there is no need for "deceased" there. I will always support the idea of listing all the ages, though I'm not sure if the collapsible table is necessary, as it's pretty rare for any characters to have more than maybe four ages... The exception being most of the main cast, of course. However, if that's one way of implementing it, I have nothing against it. However, I think we should make visible "Age at last appearance" you mentioned, which in my opinion is a bit crucial information. Sligneris (talk) 13:36, January 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's worth keeping (deceased) after a character's age if that character's first appearance is that they are dead. Basically, if a character's age is listed as "deceased" in the court record or that they are the victim, then I think (deceased) still makes sense. As for listing all the ages, I think a collapsible table is the best option, as it keeps both people like yourself who want that information in the table (as well as those eejits who don't seem to know what "debut" means) and people like myself who don't want the character tables growing even longer (I mean look at Phoenix's page; his table extends all the way down to the third game!), happy. Or at least content.


 * As for "Age at last appearance", I can see where you're coming from. I'm just trying to think of a way to phrase the field that sounds better, as well as arrange the order in a way I'm happy with. I think I'll try to move this discussion over to the main page so that other people can have their input. - Strabo412 (talk) 16:54, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Edit War
Could you please sort out an ongoing edit war between myself and Sligneris? He refuses to listen to any suggestions I make and instead chooses to add insult after insult about me, even though I have refrained continually from doing the same. I would ask that you please step in, and ban both of us if neccessary. CrashBash (talk) 22:20, January 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * I do not think he is present. I actually asked Capefeather to intervene at the very beginning of the argument in one of edit summaries. As you know, there was no intervention. Sligneris (talk) 22:26, January 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, it's the right thing to do. You should have thought twice before continually insulting me, calling me "pathetic". Considering I never once insulted you, AND you've been warned before about your behaviour. You are to blame for that, not me. CrashBash (talk) 22:32, January 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Both, if anything. Sligneris (talk) 22:38, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

I'm usually kicking about, but I am not an admin. I just edit a wiki about a video game series that I like. Maybe you both should take a break for a couple of days if you're getting that worked up over the titles of video game music (and that's coming from someone with over 20,000 edits). - Strabo412 (talk) 23:08, January 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, it does matter for me, as I spend several hours on it, and it is kinda annoying to see that sort of reaction... Sligneris (talk) 23:29, January 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I saw the symbol on your profile and assumed you were. But I did do as you suggested, so I'm good now. CrashBash (talk) 19:51, January 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Good stuff! It wasn't really worth the two of you getting so wound up about it. If you're referring to the police badge, I apologise for the confusion. For future reference, a user with responsibilities and whatnot will have their title beside their name on their profile, and the only one on this wiki that does is our lone admin Capefeather. Although I'm not an admin, people are free to ask me stuff and stuff, but keep in mind I can't do any deleting, banning, etc. - Strabo412 (talk) 21:58, January 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * OK. Although I think the wikia could do with another admin in case CapeFeather isn't around. I think you'd make a good one. CrashBash (talk) 08:46, January 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, that's kind of you to say (and I have been pondering asking Capefeather about it for a while), but we've done pretty well for almost five years (!!!) now with just our lone admin. - Strabo412 (talk) 12:35, January 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * I actually asked Capefeather for more admins a few weeks ago, but he STILL hasn't responded even though I asked him 3 times! 75.108.29.6 18:09, October 19, 2014 (UTC)

Changes
Soo... How about that age and background stuff we talked about earlier?... Sligneris (talk) 17:50, January 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'll see if I can bash something together this weekend, if I have time. - Strabo412 (talk) 23:43, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Ch-ch-ch-ch-Changes
Right. A little late, but here are some more tweaks. I'd prefer to get something most people will be happy with before I start mucking about with templates proper. I've now removed the "Died" field and tried to combine it with "Status". Things I'm now thinking: 1) What to do with "Age at debut" for characters who are dead? Is the way I've got it at the moment good enough? 2) Is the way characters that are only alluded to handled at the moment in good enough way? 3) I don't have the energy to try mucking about with the drop down menu, but feel free to have a go yourself to see if you can get the ages doing what you want to do in a streamline and beautiful manner, but I will have a go at some point soon. Only little edits just now. Will hopefully made a proper go at it soon. - Strabo412 (talk) 19:06, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Jeandeve
Can you please help me talk some sense into this user? They seem to think me giving as constructive a criticism as possible is spamming/vandalising, and they don't seem to realise that deleting stuff from their own talk page isn't allowed (it's a rule I've got in trouble for doing before). But they refuse to listen to me no matter how nicely I put it. CrashBash (talk) 15:37, January 29, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm going to have to go with "just leave it". From what I've seen, said user doesn't seem to want to contribute to this wiki anymore. Just let them do what they want to their user/talk page, and leave. - Strabo412 (talk) 15:44, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

From corrncob
Hey strabo, thx a bunch 4 telling me how to use talk pages. I will keep that in mind. On the subject of T&T music, I will grant that certain themes (such as the Objection-love how they revamped it for DD) aren't that bad. Swinging Tiger is far from sucky, and Masque*DeMasque has a certain charm to it, as well. But one of the worst areas it disappoints in is the Cornered theme. I mean, you get that far in the case and you wanna hear some good, gotcha-like music, you know? It's not even that good taken out of context. Testimony Allegro is also a pretty big disappointment, but then again all Testimony themes are, excepting AAI, AAI2 and the original AA. All the others are just sort of meh.

I can understand why some people would consider it strange to keep multiple games going at once, but for me that's part of the charm. Each game has at least some completely unique gameply features, so whenever I want to keep playing but I'm getting bored, I just switch to another game and that keeps things fresh.

I'm glad you're not one of those ppl who's gonna rag on me just cuz I use an emulator. In my defense, I don't use it for much else, cuz it's good for AA due to the fact that every control can be made with the mouse, but horrible for most games due to fact that keyboard=NOT good controller.

Oh btw I wanna ask you, why did you mark Kurain Channeling Technique for deletion? I mean, I understand you're more apt at this than I am, but I really thought it was legitimate subj material. I'm just curious, nothing vengeful atall. Thanx a bunch & keep up the awsomeness!Corrncob (talk) 21:21, February 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. It was mostly because there's already a subsection about it on the Fey clan page, but maybe I should have a go at modifying it instead... - Strabo412 (talk) 21:52, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

Blackquill's page
For god's sake, don't put up another edit war. Trucy is mentioned in Phoenix's page, yet he's still called "Wright". And forget about the CR translation team, I get the truth from Capcom themselves. "Distorted Swordsmanship" and "Twisted Samurai" mean the same thing, and "Twisted Samurai" is used in-game, so why change it back? --黙りなァ！ 01:00, February 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't know whether to take your general tone as needlessly aggressive or not, so I'll just assume that wasn't your intent, as that will not be mine in anything I write. Also, I wasn't aware I had "put up" any edit wars.


 * The "first name/surname rule" is really there for two reasons: to avoid sounding informal while at the same time avoiding the chance of confusing characters with the same surname. For Trucy, you'll notice that her full name isn't given in the main body of Phoenix Wright's page, since she first appears chronologically as "Trucy Enigmar", so there's not really any way that she can be referred to as "Trucy Wright" in the article without sounding awkward (even calling her by her birth name would look clunky). For Simon Blackquill, I think a case can be made that Aura's full name should be given (thus leading to Simon being used), as a woman's surname can change during her life due to marriage. I'll admit that seeing him referred to as "Simon" on the page feels a bit odd to me, but them's the breaks. Those who live by the wiki editing sword must abide by it I guess, even if the blade doesn't always seem as sharp as you might wish...


 * "Forget about the CR translation team"? Why should I ignore a group working to accurately translate track titles? As for the two titles meaning the same thing: 1) I honestly can't remember if he gets referred to as the "Twisted Samurai" in-game or not, but even if he does, the track name is originally Japanese and "Twisted Samurai" would be an English nickname; 2) I don't know the language, but surely the words for "swordsmanship" and "samurai" aren't the same in Japanese, are they?; 3) I don't see how anything you said is "the truth from Capcom themselves"; that just comes across as arrogant quite frankly...


 * And please sign your posts properly in the future. - Strabo412 (talk) 02:06, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

About Naitō...
Hey, um, Strabo? Corrncob again. Listen, uh, I gotta little favor to ask...y'know the Manosuke Naitō page? Well, see here, it's nearly impossible ta read cause for some reason the writing keeps flitting back and forth between the past and present tenses. (Such as: one of the sentences in the opening paragraph reads: "Later, Naitō also tries to stop Miles Edgeworth's investigation.") And some of the stuff is written in the past tense, like it should be. My reckoning is that the person who made the page wrote in present tense, and then some responsible wiki user (hint HINT there) tried to get it into the proper state but then had to leave and forgot. Meaning that the text is constantly going back-and-forth between past and present tenses, making it impossible to read. Uh, now, where you come inta this. So, see here, I'd edit it myself, but I don't know enough about GK2 to fix it properly, so I'm worried I'll bungle something factual up in the process. Meaning, it'd be much appreciated if you could sorta give it that Strabo412 treatment we all know & love. And, uh, while we are on the subject of the Naitō page, someone recently added a bunch of GK2 sprites to it, but they're not properly labeled. Matter a fact, they're not labeled at all. Again, I would do it myself, but I have this funky condition that makes it impossible for me to read faces (I think it was called prosopagnosia, check it out on wikipedia). So while you're at it, do that too, much appreciated. Thanx so much. Oh, and sorry about the length of this post. I'm very fast at typing so I tend to ramble. Corrncob signing off! Corrncob (talk) 19:23, February 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * It, as well as the rest of the GK2 pages, have been on my to-do list for a while. I'll see if I can have a look at it at some point in the near-future. Luckily, his page isn't too long, so it's not as daunting as, say, Marī Miwa's page. - Strabo412 (talk) 19:51, February 23, 2014 (UTC)

Gyakuten Saiban 5 sprites?
Hey, uh, Strabo. Corrncob...again. But I been meaning to ask. Why are no Dual Destinies sprites turning up on pages by now? I mean, I'd believe you if you told me it was technically impossible, but unfortunately, that's not true. You remember Gaspen Payne's page? Well, I'm sure you're also remember that a "shocked" sprite of him (which works perfectly, if you click on the image) is in plain view. Now, I admit that's a rather paltry collection to call a "sprite gallery", but nonetheless, it does prove that GS5 sprites can be uploaded and work perfectly. So, why are none turning up on pages? I mean, it's too much of a coincidence to just write it off as "people haven't gotten around to it yet". I mean, surely SOMEONE would have uploaded something by now. So, if I could get an answer, that'd be great. Signed, Corrncob (talk) 02:05, February 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm no expert when it comes to such things, but as far as I can tell, it is possible, it just takes A LOT of work. Whereas with the DS games I am given to understand it's possible to directly rip the sprites from the games, with DD you can't do that due to the nature of the fancy new 3D sprites. I believe any DD sprites you see kicking about the 'net are due to someone putting in a lot of effort to crop them out of gameplay videos/taking screencaps of individual frames and then animating them. Neither of which I have any desire to do. Your best bet is that someone from Court Records will get them at some point, but even then there's no guarantee it'll ever happen (there still aren't any animated sprites on their GK2 Animations page three years after GK2 was released, just sprite sheets). The only reason there are sprite galleries at all on this wiki is due to me making them for all the pre-GK2 characters, with Snoxo only recently adding GK2 ones. - Strabo412 (talk) 13:36, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Security measures! *bangs desk*
I'll make this one quick. I trust you've noticed that the Phoenix Wright was recently blanked (after all, who else but you would have fixed it?) by "a wikia contributor". Now, this is a problem because if someone maliciously blanks a page using an anonymous label, it's pretty much impossible to catch them out on it and take measures to prevent it in future. But, how to remedy this wrong? Not to worry. I've done my research. Please do take a gander at the Plants vs. Zombies Wiki. You will probably notice that, due to the COPPA act (or something like that) they have permanently blocked all anonymous users, meaning that in order to edit a page (OR do anything malicious) you need to be signed in to a registered wiki account. Now, this means that if someone does something malicious to a PvZ wiki page, they will definitely be chastised on it, due to the fact that they will have done it using their own account. So, I'm wondering if similar measures could be taken on the Ace Attorney Wiki to prevent just this sort of malicious blanking. So, please tell me what you think. Signed Corrncob (talk) 17:07, February 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I should say that it wasn't me who fixed it, it was another anonymous user. I should also add that since our wiki is actually rather small and on a franchise that's not as well-known as others, we don't actually get that much vandalism (something like once every couple of months). And any that does happen tends to get quickly caught and fixed. But if you're that worried about it, you could always take it up with Capefeather, who is this wiki's only admin. Although, quite frankly, it can be a bit of a coin toss as to whether or not he'll ever respond to you. But I guess it can't hurt to try... - Strabo412 (talk) 17:28, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

How did ya get 'em?
I was wondering where ya found the larger scale character images for the Gyakuten Saiban 123 HD Narouhodou Selection. I'm interested. New Seeker (talk) 03:12, March 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I just cropped the existing images. I really wish we had better quality versions of them though. - Strabo412 (talk) 13:13, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Mugshots
Hey thanks for telling me about the mugshots, I didn't know their was a catergory here. Sorry about that. I'm new here.. so...... yeah.


 * Don't worry about it. Although you should really sign your posts in the future! :) - Strabo412 (talk) 21:35, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Gaming Wikia Footer
Hi ! I would like to know how you put your wiki in the Gaming Wikia Footer

I'm the Administrator of Bloody Roar Wikia  :)


 * No idea. Try the admin. - Strabo412 (talk) 11:27, March 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Or try w:c:community:Template:Wikia Gaming Footer. Google is a wonderful thing. - Strabo412 (talk) 11:41, March 28, 2014 (UTC)

The nonexistent translation name?
Perhaps you have noticed this, but if you check the Ryūji Kamei and Bansai Ichiyanagi pages, you will notice that the "Name" section lists their fan-translated names in English. Ordinarily, this would be no cause for concern, but here's why it's funny. I have done a thorough sweep of the Web and concluded that, so far, only cases 1 thru 3 have been patched. Ergo...Ichiyanagi and Kamei should not have fan-translated names at all! Oh, and to strike down one more concern. A YouTube user (I forget the name) has posted a complete "let's watch" translation of GK2 that translates the kanji into English using annotations. Naturally, this would also incite translated names at some point, but that's not true. It is true, their names are translated, but it is completely different. For example, Ichiyanagi is called "Oswald Furst". I don't think I need to explain the pun there, but you get my drift. So...WHY THE HECK is there a translation name where there shouldn't be! I demand an answer, because I may be missing out on a full playable patch of the game. Corrncob (talk) 21:26, March 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Not sure. I've no real interest in the fan patch myself, since I watched the full YouTube "Let's Translate" by dowolf that you mentioned last year. I can only assume that the people who are making the fan patch have already released the names they've chosen for all the characters in the game somewhere; my best bet would probably be on the old version of the Court Records forums, which I'm given to understand that the team use to collaborate. However, I believe said forum is pretty hard to get into, so I can't say for certain.


 * TL;DR - *shrugs* I dunno. - Strabo412 (talk) 23:49, March 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * IMO fan-translated names should not be in the info sidebar. If/when Auryn's patch is completed, then maybe we can talk about adding entries for dowolf's localization and/or the game patch's localization, but at this time I don't think it's a good idea to mention them so prominently. Arguments about these matters have happened for some other projects - I believe there's even an article on the subject on Legends of Localization - and while I have doubts that it will become a big problem for this game, names do tend to stick to people's minds until any other name or name spelling seems alien. capefeather (talk) 01:52, March 31, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm afraid I don't understand. I don't think any pages list fan-translated names anywhere other than in the Names sections... Or are you saying that we should remove them entirely until there is a completed patch? - Strabo412 (talk) 08:43, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

I think I may have misinterpreted the situation and misread what was meant by the "Name section". capefeather (talk) 12:46, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

Ahm... all the names were confirmed in CR, though I have never found them on that particular site. They were probably restricted to members of the translation team, which I'm not part of. I did find the names, but not by Auryn. (third post on the page), which I know doesn't count as "decisive." All the names I've seen that have been referred to as "names from the fan translation" on this wikia are correct. Bearing in mind that the list from that link came out before the case 3 patch, and all the names for that case are correct, it seems safe to assume it's accurate.

End of interruption. - Spyromed (talk) 20:26, March 31, 2014 (UTC)

SPRITES!
I just wanna say thank you for posting some Athena sprites from Dual Destinies. Now, I wanna offer you a real challenge- can you post up all the sprites from Gyakuten Kenji 2 and the aforementioned Dual Destinies, starting with the breakdowns? (Sota, Frank, and Issei's breakdowns from GK2 and animated breakdown sprites from DD


 * No. The Athena sprites are ones I found on Tumblr and are the only ones I have. To be honest, I was wondering how long it was going to take you to come here and ask me that after I uploaded those. I'm sure you mean well, but it's getting a little irksome that a good chunk of your edits to this wiki have been pestering people for sprites. Why not take up your own challenge and find them yourself? - Strabo412 (talk) 23:21, May 4, 2014 (UTC)


 * Challenge accepted. I'll eventually begin with the sprites of Gaspen Payne from DD, while you can handle the GK2 sprites. After that last sprite is placed, I'll carry the torch from there.


 * I'm afraid I have no active interest in doing so. If I happen upon any usable ones, I will save them. But I'm not going out of my way to hunt down sprites. It's far too much effort, and I'd like to think I put a fair amount of that into this wiki already. - Strabo412 (talk) 10:10, May 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * I personally was thinking we should start removing these images from articles, unless they are in context of described event, and move all the sprites and official art to separate "Image Gallery" articles. Sligneris (talk) 01:32, May 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's a priority at the moment since they're pretty out of the way on their pages. I know other wikis do the same, however, so it might be worthwhile looking into in the future. - Strabo412 (talk) 10:59, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

To puzzle or not?
So I've been thinking. As I'm sure you're aware, puzzles are a core gameplay element of Prof Layton, and thus in v. Ace Attorney as well. I have noticed that the Layton wiki has pages dedicated entirely to puzzles (check it out if you want). So I'm wondering. Purely for vs., should we add puzzle pages to the Attorney wiki? Corrncob (talk) 01:35, May 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's something I've definitely been considering to be honest. I'd like to figure out some way of implementing them that provides enough information for each puzzle to have its own page, but at the same time not just directly copying the Layton wiki. Not sure how to go about it though... - Strabo412 (talk) 08:42, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

Reasons for breakdowns
Hey there. The reason that I wanted you to get the breakdowns for Frank, Sota and Issei is because I'm trying to get all the breakdown sprites for the Breakdown page. Those three breakdowns are the only three missing. Can you post them so I can eventually put them on the page?


 * I'm going to break this down for you (pun intended):


 * 1) I don't have any GK2 sprites hoarded on my computer.
 * 2) If I wanted to get them, I would have to construct them frame by frame from sprite sheets (and I don't know of any sprite sheets that actually contain Sōta Sarushiro's breakdown). Or would I? I don't know.
 * 3) I don't know how to make animated sprites.
 * 4) I don't feel inclined to make them. - Strabo412 (talk) 02:29, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for editing my work on 3DS! It really means a lot! Apollojustice4all (talk) 21:22, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re-creation
Actually, I edited the soundtracks using literally the phrase used in the game, really. "Re-creation", "re-create" are the words used. Granted, I'm playing GK2 with unofficial patch, but considering this mechanic uses "Testimony"-like green text, I'd assume they got it right. Same phrase is used in the Little Thief article - Sligneris (talk) 15:52, June 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * Fair enough - Strabo412 (talk) 15:57, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

Alternative translations
I must admit, recently I am deleting some of the alternative translations under Template:tt, in most cases the alternative being almost synonymous to the final meaning. As I commented on one of the edits, I see these more as a note to avoid confusion, rather than a full list of names given to a track.

For example "Distorted Swordsmanship" and "The Twisted Swordsmanship" to me sound like the same name using a synonymous word and I really think that's actually unnecessary. "The Twisted Samurai" on the other hand is just inserting his nickname into his theme, which has little to do with trnslating and/or localizing the track of itself.

Obviously, it's justified in cases like "Fabulous!", "Granwyrm" or "A Sad Memory", where the title is literally a phrase used in game's Japanese version, but when Japanese script and track titles bear no relation I don't think we should "nickname" the sound tracks. - Sligneris (talk) 21:04, June 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * Personally I don't see any harm in having those alternative titles, especially if they're ones people are more familiar with, but whatever. - Strabo412 (talk) 22:14, June 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * Also, about pages like Reminiscing, I have mixed feelings regarding the order in which games are displayed there. I thought "Main Series -> Investigations Series -> Dai Gyakuten Saiban -> Other Games" order would work, but I'm not sure now, as you undid my edit... - Sligneris (talk) 09:51, June 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm also still a bit iffy about the order. Originally I was going for AA games in release order -> PLvsPW:AA -> UMvsC3 -> [here be dragons]. I settled on the current order, but now I'm not sure about that. Is the current one best? Your suggestion (which I believe was also tried at one point)? The aforementioned one? Trying to figure out what to do about musical/manga/etc categories was pretty much the point where I shrugged my shoulders and fell into a blubbering heap on the cold hard earth to be honest... - Strabo412 (talk) 10:52, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I replied to your comment on the Template talk:Released page. - Sligneris (talk) 20:41, June 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * I get email notifications whenever a page I follow gets edited. - Strabo412 (talk) 20:57, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Concept art
Shouldn't concept art be at the end of the image galleries, like it used to be before? I'd figure one would first look for full concept art, in-game images, etc... - Sligneris (talk) 06:22, June 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm going to assume you meant "full official art" rather than "full concept art", as otherwise that didn't make too much sense. I was trying to go for an "evolution of the character" effect, but I can live with having it in the middle instead. - Strabo412 (talk) 23:14, June 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yup, full official art. Sorry. - Sligneris (talk) 09:41, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for the edit on Franziska. Wikipedia had it but for some reason i couldn't reall access the picture by itself so I went to Court-records instead.Franzyfan1998 (talk) 18:46, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Close-up sprites
Should the close-up sprites realy be separated from the set they come from...? That really seems somehow... weird, to me. - Sligneris (talk) 20:38, June 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * To be honest, I'm still trying to get the sprite galleries into a format that I'm 100% happy with. But you're right that moving those ones by themselves doesn't look great... - Strabo412 (talk) 15:51, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Please help

 * Context

I'm sorry to burden you further, but I need your help. I want out of this war. I understand my pettiness may have gone overboard and maybe it won't be so bad. I could halp improve it to how Slig sees fit. But the problem is. I started it. I admit it. Now it seems like I'm in far to deep to redeem myself. If I keep going I'll be hated and shamed (Of which i deserve) but If I give up now... then I'm just a whiny kid. PLease point mw in the right direction. Again so sorry i know it's late for youFranzyfan1998 (talk) 01:38, June 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't worry too much. I know where you were coming from with wanting the full art, mostly as I was the one who uploaded (and in quite a few cases the one who spent a good amount of time editing) the vast majority of such images. So I do have an emotional bias towards them in a way, silly as that may sound. However, I understand the advantages of having the new "mugshot"-style images, and so have happily accepted the change (although I also hope to eventually figure out how to get multiple images to appear in tabs like I talked about earlier). Unfortunately, the argument between you and Sligneris has fallen into the usual thing that happens in arguments; neither side is willing to give any ground and they gradually begin to head to two sides of an extreme. I'm just as guilty of doing this as anyone.


 * It's going to sound a bit trite (no Godot-based pun intended), but admitting that you're wrong or that you've changed your mind (or even that you don't want to fight anymore) wouldn't be something I'd expect a "whiny kid" to do. If you look at the comments section of YouTube for instance, you'd be hard pressed to find someone admitting that they are wrong. Very much the opposite in fact.


 * It's very much up to you as to how you want to handle this. I doubt I can really be of any more help than what's written here to be honest. If you decide to just stop the argument, you could either say something on Forum:Character Profiles/The point or just walk away from it entirely. In the event of any gloating (which I doubt will happen), I'll gladly step in and tell people to piss off.


 * Your heart's in the right place, and you're welcome to continue editing the wiki, but you have let this whole thing get to you. At the end of the day, we are just talking about editing a wiki about video games, not anything worth getting upset about. - Strabo412 (talk) 15:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

Sprite galleries
So, hm... Why can't we use 7 sprites per line in sprite galleries, again? - Sligneris (talk) 19:20, June 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well I can't speak for anyone else, but for me (on a PC with a reasonable monitor) having more than 5 in a row results in the 6th and 7th being completely hidden by that stupid "Must Watch Videos" thing on the right. - Strabo412 (talk) 19:27, June 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hm, I see. It seems you use resolution lower than 1920x1080, so I think I can undestand where you're coming from. Then, on the other hand, do you think gallery format like on Lana's sprite gallery would work? - Sligneris (talk) 19:44, June 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think that looks alright. - Strabo412 (talk) 19:52, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Custom sprites?
Do you think it could be a good idea to include some custom-made sprites for characters? I'm especially thinking about characters like Frank Sahwit, Dahlia Hawthorne or April May, who have their sprites cut, but I also thought of something like extra expressions...

To be perfectly honest, I got confused and uploaded one custom one in Miles Edgeworth's sprite gallery, which resulted in this one being included, so I thought it might serve as an example:



Generally, this is just something I had in mind for some time. - Sligneris (talk) 23:27, June 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't think so personally for a few reasons. The first is the matter of confusing custom sprites with official ones; even if you have a massive underlined subtitle in bold pointing out that they are fan-made sprites, some people will still think that they're official. The second is that it could open the floodgates to people uploading their own sprites of varying degrees of quality. There is also the matter of author recognition; regardless of whether or not the author has granted permission for other people to use them, it should still be obvious who created the sprite. Lastly there is the matter of relevancy; why should we have fan-made sprites in the first place? We don't allow fan-made characters or fan-fic, so why should we allow fan sprites? As for sprites that are cut-off in-game, I'm going to take the purist stance and say we should only have sprites that are of how the character appears in-game; the wiki should really be a resource for information, not custom-made sprites. - Strabo412 (talk) 11:30, June 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I thought about something like this too. So, it's either not include any custom sprites at all, or to put some kind of procedure in place, some kind of quality check, before custom sprite can be uploaded to the gallery? - Sligneris (talk) 11:47, June 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm going to go for the former as I don't really see the point of them and it'll cause less headaches down the line. You could try asking on the forums if you're want other input of course. - Strabo412 (talk) 12:11, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Aliases
Lately, I've been trying to rearrange a few things in the character articles, but thought that before I suggested any changes, I should've made a full picture for myself and others in my sandbox.

So far I shortened the "aliases" section, and decided to remove all "Mr Attorney"s, "Mr Lawyer"s, other characters' mannerisms (like "sir" and "pal" or using "Herr" instead of "Mr.") or insults and I believe I kept it straight to, literally, nicknames and aliases.

The problem I have is that while it's short enough to not be under the collapsible table, but still too long to be above Biological information. I would've put it under Biological information, but... What stops is the same reason why I try to make aliases no longer collapsible - because of characters that have some quite important aliases, such as Eve Belduke, Shih-na, Max Galactica, or the phantom, for that matter.

These are characters whose aliases are either the identities they assume or stage names they are more well known under. As such, these names should be in plain view, but then again... It creates exactly the problem I have now with Phoenix - the characters who still have aliases, albeit not as important will have them mentioned before other, possibly more important information. Not only that, but characters with many aliases, like you see in my sandbox, and definitely on his current article will have the biological information appear way too low on the table.

Do you have any alternate solutions, one that we haven't used yet? - Sligneris (talk) 23:49, June 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * How about using changing the current alias field so that it is a normal field, and then adding an addition field called something like "aliascol"? Then, with some sort of jiggery-pokery, you could make it so only one of those appears at once. That way, the majority of pages could have a collapsible table, with a select few a collapsible version. No idea if that would be implementable or not, but it's the only thing I could think of off the top of my head. - Strabo412 (talk) 19:54, June 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Actually, if you don't mind, I'd really rather move or remove most of the aliases from the character infoboxes and reduce it to something similar to what you can already see in that sandbox. The other names would then get either removed ("sir" or "pal" in palticular...) or be moved to a section in the article itself. As for characters whose aliases are somewhat more important, I already made another sanbox article about that.


 * On a side note, I really like the alternative occupation and age systems I made. While birth dates and exact years remain questional subject, I feel these two are way cleaner than what you can see in original articles of the characters portrayed in these two sandboxes. ^^ - Sligneris (talk) 20:26, June 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * My bad, I totally misunderstood what you were asking me about. How about adapting the name field for particularly noteworthy aliases in some way? As for the occupation field, I do agree that it is better visually, but does unfortunately end up making the field even bigger. - Strabo412 (talk) 20:59, June 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Uhn... Isn't that exactly what I did in the sanbox Shih-na aericle I just linked to in the previous message?


 * Also, bigger or not, I'm inclined to say that I definitely care more about the readability rather than size. Do you think it's that bad? - Sligneris (talk) 21:06, June 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, I completely missed that. However, that's kind of similar to what's there already. Would that work for someone like Darklaw? - Strabo412 (talk) 21:23, June 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * I believe 'Cohdopian Spy' would be replaced with 'Eve Belduke' and both of Shih-na's fake names would be replaced with ' "High Inquisitor Darklaw" ' - Sligneris (talk) 21:37, June 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Adding titles like "Cohdopian Spy" is now making me think of the ones they use in the Zelda series with bosses. I'm not sure if that's good or not. Part of me wants to add titles to all characters now, like "Fabulous Magician", "Perverted Fake Doctor", or "When something smells, it's usually". - Strabo412 (talk) 21:46, June 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oooh gooood, noo, it's not that! XD Hahahah! I laughed way too much on that...


 * It's meant to be a place for the real name - 'Billy Bob Johns', et cetera. This is what I came up with, since we don't have any sort of a real name. I figured we'd need some way to refer to her. Though, now that I think about it, "mole" might be more fitting than "spy".


 * ...Waaaaiit... 'Cohdophian mole'.....? ...Phwhhhw... I guess it isn't that great idea after all... xD


 * I guess we can go with just ' "Calisto Yew", "Shih-na" ', after all. It's not like I have any idea on how to call "Hickfield". I mean, 'Patient'? Meh. - Sligneris (talk) 22:03, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Timeline

 * Context

Could you perhaps read and say what you think about the discussion on the Timeline page, particularly the part of how the games treat years?

I honestly want to finally discuss it with someone who knows what they are talking about - Sligneris (talk) 15:56, July 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey! ;) capefeather (talk) 23:42, July 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Huh, capefeather, I think you haven't contributed in that discussion back when I send this?


 * But if that wasn't the case, I'm sorry. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't describe you that way. I'm not sure if you understood what I was talking about, but that could be just me being bad at articulating myself, really. : P - Sligneris (talk) 22:10, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Galleries
I just want to thank you for continuing where I left, while I'm both busy on another aspect of the wiki as well as not capable of doing as much editing as usual due to being stuck on a mobile...

Also, I want to make sure, I hope you won't mind some finishing touches to these galleries once I'm back on PC, kinda like with, say, Edgeworth's sprite gallery? (Actually, I'm not really fully done with that one yet, hahah... Still a good example.)

Oh, I almost forgot - could you leave HD sprites to me? As you can see in Lana's sprite gallery, they aren't actually taken straight from Court Records, but instead adjusted to be as close to DS sprites in animation as possible.

...It doesn't cross too much into the "custom sprite" territory, I hope? While I must confess I went slightly against what you said with my sprite uploads, I'm trying to keep it subtle... I think... - Sligneris (talk) 22:04, July 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty happy with the layout of the Miles Edgeworth sprite gallery at the moment, but any improvements to the "prototype" would be good. I might continue with "minor" characters whose galleries won't be as complicated.


 * I don't have the HD sprites myself, so there's no fear of me doing them. I'd prefer that they were as close to how they are in-game as possible however, so people can see the comparison. If the sprites are missing animations or whatever in-game, why should you have to put in time and effort to fix Capcom's mistakes? Otherwise it's almost as if we're guilty of false-advertising. However, if the sprites are the same quality in the 3DS remake, but with fixed animations, then I wouldn't have a problem with taking the iOS sprites and changing them into 3DS ones. - Strabo412 (talk) 22:46, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

You mean using iOS sprites with 3DS timings? That would make sense, since both of them use faster animations than the DS release.

Still, they seem to use different timings from each other as well, so the problem now would be getting the 3DS timings somehow, in order to use them.

From what I've seen on the gifs from CR, at least. To be perfectly honest, I didn't really see iOS release in action yet, so I can't say for certain whether or not the Court Records gifs are accurate. They might do a good job at ripping what they do, but it isn't always perfect, best example being AAI sprites, perhaps - Sligneris (talk) 23:03, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Question
Do you you ever feel you'd like to implement something new, but feel it might be difficult, because of so much stuff being on the wiki already?

I do have these kind of experience right now to be honest, and it even isn't only about the timeline (which is a bit too all over the place - I'm sorry), but also things like categories or images. I honestly think on creating another wiki from a clean slate and organize the information from scratch, even while the info won't be all that different.

I'll probably do just that... but I honestly don't know what then, even when I do all that, mostly because this here will stay the "main" wiki of the fandom, after all. - Sligneris (talk) 15:28, July 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Splitting off to create a private wiki seems a tad extreme. This wiki took roughly 5-7 years to get where it is now. And that was with a lot of work. To give you an idea of how the other AA wikis are doing these days:


 * Neoseeker Ace Attorney wiki: 432 pages
 * Japanese wiki: 24 pages
 * German wiki: 123
 * Spanish wiki: 278 pages
 * Portuguese wiki: 34 pages
 * Finnish wiki: 61 pages


 * If you're finding your time on the wiki tiresome/irritating/stressful, I'd suggest either having a week's break or doing some editing that is less controversial for a while. There still a ton of other stuff that needs doing on the wiki: case summaries, game transcripts, those portrait images and image/sprite galleries things that you started implementing, and all PLvsPW pages spring to mind. But do let me know if you decide to stop entirely, as I'll probably have to start reverting character infobox images back to full OA. That's not a threat or anything by the way, it's just that I seriously doubt anyone else is going to make any of those close-up portraits and I'd prefer not to have those pages sticking out like sore thumbs. - Strabo412 (talk) 16:48, July 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * To be honest, while it might be "tiresome/irritating/stressful", like you put it... I'm really not sure that's all what it is. Basically, you could say I have some kind of image in mind about the wiki but I think it's hard to implement.


 * I'm a bit of perfectionist, so even things like file names for images may bother me. I also keep thinking about suggesting another design change of the wiki, and you know how long it took to get what we got now, about the background. I also think of "different versions", of same images in DS, iOS and Japanese iOS versions of the whole trilogy but I would just feel more comfortable doing that, while uploading all the images by myself, naming they all the same, just adding "DS"/"HD"/"JP" at the end of file's name.


 * Not to mention things like fully rearranging the main page, reworking categories and subcategories, as well as doing some big changes to character or case articles. It is both a lot of work that is hard to implement in the first place, especially given that at the current point in time the wiki is kinda messy... That, and now my work is at very high risk of being undone, after some users might just "like it the way it was before"...


 * I don't know. Perhaps I won't quit contributing and will finish up the things like the portraits, but I don't think I'll be ever satisfied with the end result of this wiki, like it is going now. - Sligneris (talk) 18:53, July 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * If you think the wiki is messy now, you should have seen what it was like when I started! Keep in mind that a wiki is really supposed to be a sort of community effort, and that if one individual starts messing about with the status quo too much or pushing what they want, then there's going to be some push-back. Normally things would be discussed and a compromise, or even a better solution, would emerge. Unfortunately, the timeline "discussion" has now proceeded to the point that I doubt anything worthwhile is going to ever come out of it, at least not any time soon. And it's not as if all of your changes have been reverted; nobody objected to the image and sprite galleries, for example. If you'd like, you could bullet-point me out what these big changes you had in mind are and I'll tell you what I think. - Strabo412 (talk) 20:05, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Well, some of these big changes include wiki design, so I guess I'll have to go talk to capefeather on that... *sigh*... But, the biggest change I have in mind at the moment?







This. - Sligneris (talk) 20:48, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry that some of your ideas met with such fierce, and at times kind of unfair, opposition from other users. Because this is a wiki, people will talk about things they care about, whether or not it's uninformed or fair. We all just have to do our best to have a civil, productive discussion. I could have done my part to calm down some of these arguments earlier, as I knew that both Franzy and CrashBash are particularly passionate users who may not always be entirely civil.

I'll admit some direct responsibility for your experience, too. At this point, I have less time to dedicate to the wiki than I used to, and I often end up putting stuff off. I completely agree that I could be doing certain things more quickly, and be more on the ball as to being informed about Wikia's changing design tools. It can be frustrating to want certain things to happen, and have them take so long to happen.

All that said, the whole point of a wiki is that it isn't the vision of one person. It's a collaboration. You seem to have unfounded impressions of how the wiki works, and me in particular, as if nothing gets done without my blessing. But take the main page, for example. It's actually been redesigned a few times now, without me having much to do with it. All I've done recently with the main page is to redefine the categories featured on the main page a little, which was preceded by a proposal on Talk:Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. In fact, the previous wallpaper was designed by someone else.

I also think you need to be more accepting of the fact that people have different priorities and different perspectives on various topics concerning this wiki. To be blunt, most of the arguments you brought up about the timeline have been known points for a long time, not just here, but on Court Records as well, before a timeline ever appeared here. Anything implemented without proper discussion runs the risk of running roughshod over concerns and facts that you may not have even thought of. There's a difference between criticism and stifling. There's a delicate balance to be had between accountability and getting stuff done, and I think it's really uncalled for to go around like you're being stifled just because you perceive that other people are in the way of your ideals.

capefeather (talk) 02:02, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

Kudo
Hello -

I'm the person who edited the Victor Kudo page earlier today. I'm wondering if there's any canonical reason to believe that Kudo testified in Byrde's first trial that I've forgotten? Because with an open-and-shut case and Fake Phoenix making no effort to defend her, I'm convinced that the judge would have pronounced her guilty after hearing from the lead detective and Armstrong.

Mainly just curious. Have a good day.


 * Well, it's actually been quite a while since I played T&T to be honest (and there are no transcripts that I know of), but I do remember that Tigre went to a lot of effort to recreate the crime scene so that Kudo would think he was witnessing the real thing. Why do that if you're not using him as a witness? Though I could be completely wrong, as I said, it's been a while. However, saying that I do vaguely remember it being stated somewhere that he had testified before. Like he was sure his testimony would just be a repeat of his previous appearance or something? - Strabo412 (talk) 23:01, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Trucy Wright
Trucy was kidnapped in the Turnabout for Tomorrow.


 * At the risk of repeating myself, is being held hostage and being kidnapped the same thing? To me, kidnapping insinuates that the individual is taken away and held against their will (usually) for ransom, while hostage-taking is done in order to (usually) force an official body (such as a government) to fulfil something they want (also normally seems to happen in the same place and involve numerous hostages). That is not to say that someone couldn't be kidnapped then taken hostage (such as Maya in Farewell, My Turnabout), but Trucy is held against her will with a number of other people in the same place she was captured. That does not sound like a kidnapping to me. That sounds like a hostage situation. - Strabo412 (talk) 09:27, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Transcripts
Just a personal opinion, wouldn't it be better if transcripts are named Episode Name/Transcript or Transcript:Episode Name. A hyphen looks a bit odd in the title. --  Fubuki風吹 talk 10:48, 09.23.2014


 * Since it was originally your template, please feel free to improve it as you see fit. My edit was simply to make it look like less of an eyesore. - Strabo412 (talk) 10:52, September 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm talking about the name of the title itself, not the template. Should we move The First Turnabout - Transcript to Transcript:The First Turnabout or The First Turnabout/Transcript, or no? --  Fubuki風吹 talk 10:58, 09.23.2014


 * I'm afraid I don't have an opinion on it really. Change it if you like. - Strabo412 (talk) 18:14, September 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * I've noticed all sub-articles are named with a hyphen, so I guess it's a no then. --  Fubuki風吹 talk 19:39, 09.23.2014


 * That's really only because Sligneris designed them that way. But basically, no, I personally don't have a problem with them being hyphenated. - Strabo412 (talk) 19:44, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

86.106.53.19
Strabo, from what I've seen, a contributor has repeatedly called you evil and undid some of your necessary edits. I gave him a very strict warning, but if he picks on you anymore, report him to an admin ASAP. Have a nice day. 75.108.29.6 13:45, October 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * 😒*sigh* Geez, now everyone's picking on him... I tried to calm everyone down, but they're still tormenting him. Can you do something about it?75.108.29.6 13:05, October 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * You DO understand the concept of "trolls", right? They will feign innocence. CrashBash (talk) 16:17, October 20, 2014 (UTC)

Adrian quote
"Adrian Andrews"

- I wanted to do something nice for you and your friends, Mr. Wright.

"Phoenix Wright"

- So that's why you arranged this exhibit...?

"Adrian Andrews"

- I knew that Kurain Village was the hometown of your assistant, Maya. I thought it would be great to let the rest of the world know about it too.

"Phoenix Wright"

- Hmm... But that's not exactly thanking me per se, is it?

"Maya Fey"

- Maybe but who'd wanna see an exhibit on the "Treasures of Phoenix Wright"?

"Phoenix Wright"

- ... I guess I can't argue with that one

Franzyfan1998 (talk) 19:39, December 18, 2014 (UTC)