Talk:Phoenix Wright

Proffessional poker player? ralok 21:24, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Semi-spoiler, you learn about it at the beginning of Apollo Justice. Laogeodritt [ Talk 21:36, January 15, 2010 (UTC)

Old and new
I was just wondering if there's a reason why the PW-era Nick and the AJ-era Nick have separate character stats? Surely it would be better to fuse the two like Ema Skye? Strabo412 18:55, March 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * The "split" happened in August 2008, before large-scale expansion happened and before the character template got a second image. The other thing that separates this article from Ema Skye's article is that Phoenix has much more content from the PW era, so it seemed appropriate to split the table. Nonetheless, it could be better at this point to merge them. (I was also going to merge the Lamiroir tables but I forgot. Thanks for reminding me lol.) capefeather 22:01, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Ace Attorney/Mr'Attorney
These two were first coined by Luke ATmey.

Ace American
In Ace Attorney for the ds, chapter 2 during his discussion between him and the guy who murderred Mia, he says, "you American's, always so impatient." To which Phoenix responds, "(But... you're an American too.)"

Not surprising considering I was playing the US version, HOWEVER 90% of the worlds lawyers come from America. I wouldn't be surprised if this was true in the Japanese version.


 * I find that unlikely to be honest. The law system of the game is loosely based on that of Japan. Therefore, in the Japanese version of the game, which is set in Japan, most of the characters would be Japanese. I'm also fairly certain that the US only has, at most, around 50% of the world's lawyers. 90% would just be ridiculous!


 * Basically, I think Nick being referred to as American was just part of the English localisation. Strabo412 13:57, April 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Both have Japanese names, and in the Japanese version, Franziska von Karma comes from America rather than Germany, so... yeah. capefeather 14:40, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

I said 90 wow, ok I mean 50% sorry, still highest amount in the world, a US Lawyer should be common. Anyone play the Japanese version find the area he talks about his Nationality? The steel samurai part seems to aknowledge they live in Tokyo, with the whole "Neo Tokyo" part... I still think he's an American emmigrant. So as I said....

Anyone play the Japanese version find the area he talks about his Nationality?

"User:Capefeather"

- Both have Japanese names, and in the Japanese version, Franziska von Karma comes from America rather than Germany, so... yeah.

capefeather 00:41, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Another thing to keep in mind is that, although the US has an obscene number of lawyers, how many of those operate as defence attorneys in foreign countries? Not very many I would imagine. Strabo412 00:56, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Not Many US defense attorneys? Why not?

Also, "Phoenix" is not Japanese, capefeather, it's actually from Greek Mythology, thusly, a western name. At the risk of seeming rude I have to say I don't really know who Franziska is so I dont care where she's from... in the japanese version, is Phoenix American?

Sorry if the above seemed rude or unnecesary, I'm just curious.


 * In the Japanese version, Phoenix and Redd have Japanese names. capefeather 15:29, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * "Not Many US defense attorneys? Why not?" Well, because I imagine most other countries have enough defence attorneys of their own for their own countries. Our friendly local admin is correct, in the original game (that is, the Japanese one), Phoenix Wright's name is "Naruhodou Ryuuichi". Characters undergo nationality changes quite a lot between language versions. A certain effeminate French chef in the 3rd game who suddenly becomes Italian in the French language version springs to mind! Tsk! The French just can't take a joke! Anyhows, having not played the game in its original Japanese, I can't say for certain what line was used instead of talking about impatient Americans. I'm quite curious now. In fact, I'm quite curious about all the differences between the language versions in general. Strabo412 16:50, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

I know his name is Japanese in the Japanese version, that would just make sense. The same applies for everyone. EX: I know a chinese emmigrant named Paul. He was born in China, where his name was (I forgot) then he went to Britain where he changed his name, etc. Paul is not a Chinese name. Phoenix Wright prolly did the same thing, in fact, I beleive one of the stereotypes about Americans in other Countries, is that we ALWAYS wear business suites, even on vacation. (I point rudely at Strabo412) Therefore: his name is not enough to prosecute him as Japanese person!


 * Huh? What did I do!? I don't understand! Why am I being accused of anti-American sentiments? I'm so confused! What did I do wrong?


 * Business suits even while abroad? Really? Never heard of that. I'm not sure about the name change idea because the game had been out in Japan for 4 years before appearing on the DS, so it seems unlikely that the name Phoenix Wright was even a twinkle in the development team and/or localisation team's eye. I can't help but feel the only way to settle this is for one of us to learn basic Japanese, buy Gyakuten Saiban, and find out. I've never been good at languages personally, so count me out. It's all down to you unregistered contributor 76.169.12.219! :P Strabo412 00:00, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Like I said before, it's worth noting that sequels to the first game feature foreign people who come from "Germany"; in the Japanese versions, they come from America. capefeather 00:55, April 25, 2010 (UTC)

In the wiki, the name "Wright" is used to refer to him. Shouldn't it be Phoenix? After all, unlikew Edgeworth, most characters refer to him bu name or abreviations of said name. And, besides, that is the name in the speech boxes.Lisalo 20:32, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's in the wiki's manual of style. Characters are referred to by their full name in the article and then by their surname after that, unless another family member is mentioned, then the character is referred to by their first name. I think the reasons for this are to make it sound like a neutral report and to not show bias towards "major" and "minor" characters. Or something like that. Strabo412 15:05, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * The manual of style was written based on what I felt were the general tendencies of typical edits here. Edits to character articles have mostly been in past tense, i.e. "in-universe style". This means that articles are written as if they were written inside of the AA universe. If we were to employ "out-of-universe style", then character articles would have to be written in present tense and all that, which I think is more against the general tendencies of edits than the use of "Wright" over "Phoenix" is. Lately, though, a lot of edits have been in present tense... capefeather 16:28, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have not understiood a word.Lisalo 20:32, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt
Would people say that this is a reference to Phoenix? The initial "Objection!" and the few seconds after that are nearly identical to what Phoenix does in the LKvGS trailer. (Very epic anime btw.) capefeather 19:53, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * This guy seems to think so. Meh, might as well. capefeather 20:00, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've seen that too! It;s really awesome! :D Let's put it as a reference! :DAmeftoWriter 20:06, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Vs. Capcom source
This source has been added to the "Other Media" section. However, the source is just a link to a picture out of a Japanese magazine and so it is unclear what it is supposed to be about. I previously removed it since it seemed, to me, to just be plopped in there with no explanation. I certainly don't mind it, I just think it would be better if the image was uploaded to the wiki so a bit of descriptive text could be shoved underneath it. I would do it myself, but I have no clue where it's from, whether it's about Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars or Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds, or if it's about cut characters or possible characters or... Long story short, could someone please explain the source for us thick people? :P Strabo412 11:55, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Guys recently phoenix wright has been confirmed for ULTIMATE marvel vs capcom 3. Definantly should be put in other media. I also finaly have a reason to buy that game which seemed pretty good before. 68.7.78.20 15:01, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Except the info has already been put into the article. The reason I moved the info out of "other media" is that I anticipate it growing into a section of its own, with info on Phoenix's various roles (e.g. story, gameplay) in UMvC3. But I'm not going to dispute its location right now. capefeather 16:26, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you guys know that Xbox360Achievements revealed the full list of achievements/trophies for Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3! This list also shows the icon for each achievement. The icons happen to be each character's face model, giving us a preview of how Phoenix Wright will look in the game.

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3/achievements/

109.228.144.117 11:32, September 2, 2011 (UTC)

“At the end of the stage show Ishizawa mentioned that out of the 4 remaining characters Phoenix Wright is probably one that people are wondering about. Then the discussion turned to Phoenix Wright. According to Niitsuma, Phoenix fights without fighting. His standing weak attack has him showing the opponent some documents. His crouching weak attack has him looking for clues on the floor.”

http://shoryuken.com/2011/09/17/umvc3-early-hints-at-phoenix-wrights-fighting-style/

109.228.144.117 08:42, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

http://shoryuken.com/2011/10/13/umvc3-phoenix-wright-and-nova-reveal-videos/

Phoenix Wright's Alt. Costume in UMVC3 revealed!

http://shoryuken.com/2011/11/11/umvc3-dlc-costume-leaks-are-full-of-fan-service-and-trolling/

http://www.hadoken.net/?p=4241

109.228.144.117 07:58, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Profile pictures
I've returned the AJ-era Nick picture to the top. This is something that I've changed back in the past and thought was on this talk page, but I seem to have imagined it, so I'll explain myself now.

I have a couple of reasons for having the AJ-era Nick at the top of the page, but feel free to argue (*taps piece of paper with back of hand*). Firstly, I personally feel it is more in keeping with the style of the wiki, which I have felt was trying to be like files in an online court record. If the page is meant to be like a character's file, surely it would make more sense for the most recent image of the character to be at the top? (*rubs chin in thought*) It also makes more sense to me since the lead section is mostly about the AJ-era Nick. Lastly, I think it's just more consistent, since all the other characters on the wiki (as far as I'm aware) have their more recent self at the top of the page. The prosecution may now make its case. (*smug face, hands on hips*) :P Strabo412 11:50, September 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * By "the most recent image", do you mean chronologically recent, or as in the most recent game that was released? Because if it's by the criteria of the newest image, then that would actually be the Layton one. The developers at Capcom can set an "old" story in the future, but with each new addition to the Ace Attorney saga new artwork and graphics are released and improved. AJ was released a long time ago back in 2007, and since then 3 whole new games have come forth, 2 GKs and 1 Professor Layton crossover -- all of which take place before the final moment of Ace Attorney history, AJ. What I'm trying to say is, that Ace Attorney has shifted. It's no longer focusing on the futuristic hobo Phoenix story, but on the more familiar, blue-suited lawyer who makes mistakes and that everyone knows. So then shouldn't we, on Ace Attorney Wiki, keep up?

I'm all for consistency, and on other ordinary articles I'd be happy to follow that. But don't you believe that we can make an exception here for (come on,) THE Phoenix Wright? Whose name is synonymous with Ace Attorney itself? He is the only character that appears in ALL Ace Attorney games (Sorry Gumshoe! You had a nice run until Layton). So therefore, he's only the character that everyone who's even heard of Ace Attorney is familiar with -- even with the Miles Edgeworth fans.

In the end, I think it all boils down to how one views Ace Attorney Wiki. If you view Ace Attorney Wiki as a court record where all the characters are systematically filed in the same manner, then go for it. The AJ Phoenix would technically be correct. However, to newcomers and everyday fans, or even people who have even remotely heard of Phoenix Wright and happen to stumble upon this wiki, wouldn't they expect that the first thing that they see on the page to be the familiar blue-suited Phoenix that we all know and love? Bear in mind, not everyone has played AJ, which is only one game out of the entire series. Therefore the majority of people who've heard of Phoenix Wright probably haven't played AJ; on the other hand, everyone who's played AJ knows about the classic Nick. So, to a person that hasn't played AJ, seeing the hobo Phoenix when he/she was expecting the classic Phoenix would confuse him/her, so instead, putting the Classic Phoenix on the page first would be superior.

The prosecution rests.

 343 GuiltySpark  • Talk Page • Contributions 06:46, September 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * By the most recent I meant the chronologically most recent (from an in-game perspective, which is what most articles are written in); so the AJ-era. While I will admit that you have a point about using the more recent artwork, there is a possibility that, depending on how the Layton game fits into the timeline (which I'm given to understand that it doesn't) the Layton version of Mr. Wright may end up with his own page or, at least, his own subsection. Also, if we were to use the most recent artwork, then surely the AAI/GK2-era Ema Skye would be at the top of her page? I've never seen anymore arguing that. Basically (and honestly, I mean no offence) your argument boils down to "the pre-AJ Phoenix Wright is more familiar and popular, so should be at the top". While I would argue that things on the wiki, like referring to characters by surname, back up my view of treating all characters the same (equally, and in a detached manner), I know that, if put to the vote, I would be massively outnumbered (*sad face*). Strabo412 08:38, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to produce evidence that suggests that this situation needs to be resolved if you want to keep the structure of the wiki consistent. I, personally agree with the defence, that the AJ-era Wright must be at the top and first noticed. I believe regarding the wiki's image to resemble a court file requires this, and would seriously recommend and, should the need arise, personally enforce this premise.

Naturally, in this courtroom, evidence is king, and so here is my assistant - should the prosecution wish to change the order, then there are many other pages to consider - namely, those of Winston Payne (should a Turnabout Memories picture appear), Larry Butz (being that his last persona was Laurice Deauxnim), and, to some extent, the slightly disturbing image of Wendy Oldbag (that is which one?). To avoid all these complications, I suggest remain with the AJ-era Wright, and leave all characters in their "latest" incarnations. {C}{C NB: I'm working under the premise that by "most recent", you mean the official Ace Attorney Timeline. Soz if this is otherwise and feel free to stomp upon my profile. {<.>}

Thehumangoomba 14:51, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

UMvC3 Skins
Seriously, what was Capcom thinking? They should've had Maya's Mia color scheme paired with Phoenix's Godot color scheme, and Kay Faraday with Miles Edgeworth. That would've made SO much more sense. Who agrees?