User talk:Strabo412



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Please read the Ace Attorney Wiki:Manual of style to see the standard by which you should edit. Problems have existed (and still exist) with edits containing bad grammar and inconsistent tense. You should especially be aware of the in-universe style in which articles about the Ace Attorney universe are written; this means that you should use past tense in your sentences and refer to all characters by their last names. This allows each article to read like an actual record one might find inside the Ace Attorney universe.

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capefeather 23:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

That's the thing.
Was that a real quote from the games? I don't think so. capefeather 18:15, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Case template
The line "judge" already contains the necessary link code. Also, most of the lines have default values (e.g. "name" gives the name of the article by default), so there's usually no need to put them in. capefeather 18:41, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Why are you deleting the Spanish and Italian lines?
capefeather 15:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: AAI case images
I have been thinking that there should be space for a second image, probably with a space dividing them like in the other template. I initially didn't want to use the case images for AAI because they were just pictures of each character, and from playing the game, it seems that the "flashback" pictures that Edgeworth gets in the last case could make good representative pictures (except probably not in grayscale). But I guess this is fine. capefeather 23:51, March 2, 2010 (UTC)

Not quite sure what you're doing...
...but you can drag the categories into different orders instead of deleting and re-inserting them. capefeather 16:20, March 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, so they weren't working. I see. capefeather 21:24, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Does liking vampires that glitter in the sun make me gay? 24.171.200.78 05:54, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Hmmm?
It wasn't directed at anyone in particular. The edit description was badly worded :P

Perhaps the tags won't be needed anymore soon. Evidently Wikipedia isn't even using such tags anymore (the work of "spoiler tags are censorship" people I guess). CR's removing its "embargo" on AAI-related avatars and such tomorrow, too. capefeather 13:29, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Template redirects
Why were Template:Bluetable and Template:Some other page redirects made? capefeather 01:06, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Actually I think I get the former but why the latter? capefeather 01:06, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

I do agree that the wanted pages list should be "cleaned out" sometimes, so to speak. capefeather 01:38, October 22, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!
I'm really grateful that you've been editing my recently edited articles. I'm sorry if I make too many mistakes, but it's great to know that someone's out there to help me.

Let me know if I can do anything to help. By the way, I'll be playing Turnabout Goodbyes this week, so please tell me if there's something I can notice in the game in order to expand the wikia.

Jessica Ilha 21:26, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

I have a really poor english vocabulary compared with you guys who write the cases' articles. I'm going to focus on the location pages; it's easier for me that way. By the way, I noticed that location pages have two different templates. What should I do? Should I change all templates to one kind (then which?) or should I leave it this way?

I hope you continue helping me with my mistakes and bad vocabulary!

Jessica Ilha 00:22, January 19, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, why did you remove the ending from the Viola Hall??It's true man, the gang was having a huge meal there as celebration by the end of the game...Ace Detective 13:43, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Soooo....I am doing some list of evidence, should I include the profiles in the court record too??Ace Detective 13:52, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Evidence
Well, sure. But it will take some time to put pictures and info and all, but I'try.Ace Detective 14:17, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

I tried, but the site doesnt have full evidence, it lacks alot of stuff in some cases....maybe it will take me a few days to collect all evidence in Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney Trials and Tribulations, just gimme a few days, OK?Ace Detective 14:45, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, pretty cool. I am pretty sure of my information, but not of my English. Well, you find any grammar or spelling mistakes, I will be very thankful if you correct it.Ace Detective 16:43, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

things to do list
I am sorry for asking, but I edited Larry Butz and added the information about his role in The Stolen Turnabout which needed expansion in the things to do list. But because I am not so sure of my English and grammar and all. Can you just clean up that article??Thanks.Ace Detective 16:02, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

Evidence lists
I was looking at the evidence lists (the ones who have evidence, of course) and I noticed there's some different things. Excluding the "testimony" evidences, there are some evidences with quotation marks in the description, and others don't have any. Which one should it be changed to? I got some free time right now, so I'm willing to change for the best option.

Also, not all the evidences who have the phrase "touch the check button for details" in the game have this phrase in the page. I didn't put them because I though they were useless (but maybe I thought wrong?). I'm playing in the WiiWare, and, of course, the phrase is slightly different. It made me think whether we should keep it or not, since it's kind of nonsense keeping all the phrase versions at the same time. I was thinking about making the wikia own "Examine" button, which could substitute the aforementioned phrase and even add extra information in other evidences (like Misty's mugshot or the luminol testing fluid). Or maybe it's just useless to create this button. Should we keep this phrase? If so, I'm willing to add the phrase in the evidences in "Turnabout Goodbyes" and "Rise from the Ashes".

Jessica Ilha 12:58, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds pretty good. I'm going to edit the evidence lists now and take the quotation marks off. As for the "Check", I'll try to put them where they should be. Maybe we could write something like "Click here for details" instead of "touch the check button" or "press the A button"? Jessica Ilha 14:48, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * One hard-working hour later and I finished re-writing the AA evidence list (oh my gosh, there's still the JFA). Hope I didn't mess things up. Also, I just don't know how to link the case files or where to find floor plans. I've been searching for them for three days already... Jessica Ilha 16:36, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yay! It's good to be useful! I was going to suggest the same thing (the Case Files pages). I'm going to work on them now. I'm letting the JFA evidence list for later... Jessica Ilha 17:13, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

The Butz...again
I edited the Larry Butz again. I think that will be enough to remove it from things to do list, also, it might need your usual clean up.

I donot know if I can remove things from things to do list or not. I am still abit new here and donot wanna mess anything up so it will be safer to ask ya first, right?Ace Detective 13:21, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Throwing seeds.
Did you remove the image i uploaded earlier(Victor Kudo throwing seeds) And used a different one???

I mean, it's okay. But why???Ace Detective 16:42, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Kudo
Sure. Mine had a dark background and was kinda small and all. Well, the good news is, We finally finished the Victor Kudo page. Which is something pretty nice since there wasn't that much in it in the begining, I think it's 100% complete now. The other good news is, I am editing Recipe for Turnabout episode, and I cant seem to put the images there in their right position, so can you fix that for me?? And also, after I finish the whole episode 100%{Which may happen tommorrow), it will need your usual clean up for my language mistakes.

SOoooooooooooooooooo.......Gonna gimme a hand??Ace Detective 17:01, February 11, 2011 (UTC)

Alan, my friend. I am sorry I am asking alot of stuff from you latley, but I wanted to add "people to meet" to Engarde's mansion but it didn't work. Why is that??

You know, I will grow more reliable later on. When I know how everything goes here...Ace Detective 00:29, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I was pretty sure that Wright met Shelly de Killer there as Engarde's butler. I think he called himself John Doe or something. I thought I should mention that. Wright also met Engarde's cat in there but I guess it wont count.

I will just calll ya Alan. Calling ya Strabo is a bit formal. SOoooooooooooooooooo.......Ace Detective 10:13, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Apollo Justice 2
Umm,.... can i ask? will there be a second game for apollo justice? AdventureWriter28 -Hiya! :)  (X_X)(0_0)(^_^)  13:05, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hello
Hi my name is allyson and you are so helpful! I was wondering if you could help edit my wiki It's called Luckytruth and you can create your own characters and give them stories It's a made up wiki It's not a game or show it's fake if you don't want to help that's okay.

Allyson-angel123

-_-
Why did you delete my edit? So what if it isn't actually the office?! People should know what I meant! That is just plain mean! :'(

Phoenixwrightgamer 02:32, September 29, 2011 (UTC)Phoenixwrightgamer

OOOOOOOH.
Now I know what you mean. Sorry for acting like a jerk earlier... :(. Hope you forgive me!

Phoenixwrightgamer 17:38, September 29, 2011 (UTC)Phoenixwrightgamer

Btw, I thought Iris WAS actually sweet, and she wasn't faking? Her sister is the evil one, because she actually got her dad to leave poor little Iris alone at the Hazakura Temple. Therefore, Iris isn't faking anything. She even felt sorry for her sister not having any love from her parents, and suspects that is why she turned evil.

Yeah
Yup that's what I meant. Nd thx very much! Lol

Phoenixwrightgamer 02:03, September 30, 2011 (UTC)Phoenixwrightgamer

Samurai fan
Maya isn't the only steel samurai fan Wright knows.

And in 7 years Edgeworth could have changed alot.

And if Edgeworth started being more open I think thats worthy of the phrase "Second Childhood" hence "kid".

I've seen one of my friends go from edgeworths personality to "Watch every episode! And I'll be quizing you to make sure you did." as soon as he found the opertunity. So the ideas not that far fetched. Neko Vira 02:06, 28 July, 2012 (UTC)


 * I've changed the wording on Maya's page to make it more vague. However, I find it unlikely that Edgeworth would undergo such a drastic personality change. It would seem very odd to me if and/or when Edgeworth makes a reappearance that he's an open Steel Samurai fan. It doesn't strike me as a change that the developers would be likely to take (especially considering the following the current Edgeworth has with the "female masses"). Besides, I can't speak for your friend, but Edgeworth is a high prosecutor (possibly more by the time of AJ: AA) with a reputation to maintain. It would destroy part of what makes the character great in my eyes (his borderline refusal to admit his love of the series). But I digress.


 * Aside from Edgeworth (who, as I say, is far less likely), Maya is really the only other candidate. She has always been portrayed as child-like in her mannerisms, and she has a history of forcing the Samurai series on Nick (Turnabout Samurai and changing posters in his office spring to mind). And if it was Edgeworth, do you think Phoenix would be as vague as "kid" when referring to him? I think he would be far more likely (especially the AJ-era Nick) to call him things like: "a closet fan", "a grown man who I thought would know better", "a surprising source", "a grumpy old man with a child's heart", or even just "an old friend". Also, do you really think Edgeworth would part with his Samurai series stuff? :) - Strabo412 (talk) 02:00, July 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * True edgeworth may not become fully open(but keep in mind that he wasn't going to be a good guy in the first place). But Pheonix is a good friend of his and can keep a secret. And calling him a "Kid" would throw people off the scent rather quickly.
 * Besides I'm pretty sure that was a lend anyways.
 * (on the subject of the other disagreement the z in "Vasquez" should be silent because "vasskwez: doesn't sound like a proper pronounciation since the name isn't of latin origin. and "Di-vas Queue" sounds a bit more right. Unless you can find a video where her name is pronounced by someone other than a fan,I feel that its a fair possibility.) Neko Vira 03:36, 28 July, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think that it's a case of keeping a secret, more that Edgeworth is a very private man. Miles Edgeworth is the character in the series to undergo the greatest character development in my opinion, but I just don't think it would fit with his character (never mind the fan outcry that would ensue) to develop to a point where he was comfortable expressing his love of the series with even his closest friends. Being raised by Manfred von Karma as a perfection-seeking prosecutor would emotionally scar anyone. Basically, although there is the possibility that the "kid" is not Maya, I feel that it being Edgeworth is just as likely as it being Cody Hackins or Penny Nichols (and I mean that seriously).


 * Regarding Vasquez, technically it is of Latin origin since most European languages are. But that's just me being pedantic, for which I apologise. Anyhow, I always thought it was pronounced "vahs-kwez", as really the only time I heard the name (Scotland not having much of a Spanish population) was actually in the film Aliens which had a tough female marine called Vasquez. But I digress again. I had a look on the old Google, and found two pronunciation guides for the name. They have it as "VAHS-kes" or "v ah s - k w eh z". Neither of which sound similar to the word "queue".


 * Oh, and please sign your posts in the future (four ~ in case you don't know). ^_^ - Strabo412 (talk) 03:25, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Edgeworth being the "kid" in question was just what struck me as the natural conclusion when I came to that part of the game. When I saw that the wiki insisted thaat it was maya I was confused. Edgeworth is one of those characters I feel I know in and out by now. So when pheonix said a "kid" (note the quotations) I assumed he was making fun of Edgeworths actions. Maya could still be considered an Actual kid compared to pheonix (as oposed to a metiphorical "kid", with quotations).
 * Neko Vira (talk) 04:00, July 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's the problem with vague things like this; different people interpret the same thing in totally different ways. To be honest, you're actually the first person I've seen to see that part in the game and think that it's Edgeworth (although I'm sure you're not alone). If it is about Maya, the "kid" part could be explained away by her being 27 by that point and the Master of the Kurain Channeling Technique, an age and position that would hardly make one consider someone a "kid" any more. All that aside, are you suggesting we remove it from Maya's page entirely? I think the wording on the page at the moment is vague enough, but maybe I'm biased... - Strabo412 (talk) 11:03, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * How about we put this on edgeworths current whereabouts:
 * "Not much is known about edgeworths whereabouts during the Apollo Justice years (though some speculate that he was the "kid" refered to by Phoenix Wright in Turnabout Corner.)....."Neko Vira (talk) 16:48, July 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think that might be what's informally known as "weasel words". Maybe someone should do a poll or something to see who people think the "kid" is. I did have another look at that point in the game and saw that Apollo asks: "Like a niece or nephew?", with Phoenix replying "...Something like that". That could fit with Phoenix and Maya's brother/sister relationship (although I'm sure both shippers and yourself, for different reasons, would disagree with me). I just feel that Edgeworth would be more likely to send high-brow literature to Wright rather than DVDs and try to keep all his beloved Samurai stuff to himself. But maybe there's some sort of compromise... I'll have a think. - Strabo412 (talk) 17:19, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

FYI, it's Snackoos, not Snackaroos.

LikeMyDrinksWithJustIce (talk) 22:57, September 30, 2012 (UTC)LMDWJI


 * Huh? What are you talking about? Please elaborate. - Strabo412 (talk) 23:18, September 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hello!!
Dear Starbo412



Thanks..

Nica 53

YOU'RE SO COOL!!




Nica 53 (talk) 08:14, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

And Also..


Nica 53 (talk) 08:14, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Favor :)


http://www.court-records.net/sprites1.htm --Nica 53 (talk) 08:21, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

That Picture



 * I enjoy the series, yes. - Strabo412 (talk) 13:11, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Link
Because I was lazy, nothing more, nothing less. Wasn't something I needed to do, nor something I particularly cared about. But wikis are hubs of information, and I couldn't leave it un-noticed. :) LordSchmee (talk) 11:30, April 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, I can't really argue with that. It was more the way you brought it to my attention (rather than use the talk page), that irked me. But no harm done I suppose... - Strabo412 (talk) 14:26, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

re: Navigations!
Yes, indeed yes. I was talking about that. Thank you for pointing it out. And by the way, don;t you think that there should be more like it? More for main protagonists, antagonists, defense attorneys, prosecutors, victims etc...

 http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130604072505/aceattorney/images/thumb/9/94/Phoenix_Wright_Ace_Attorney_Sprite.png/50px-Phoenix_Wright_Ace_Attorney_Sprite.png Fubuki風吹  This statement is clearly  contradictory!  17:19/06.4.2013


 * Personally, I don't really think so. I think things like defense attorneys, prosecutors, protagonists, and victims are already well-served by their respective categories. As for antagonists, that was far too vague to warrant a category (as covered here). Episodes are perfect for a navbox because they organise something that is disorganised in the category. But if you can think of a good use for a navbox, I'm all ears. P.S. That is quite the wall of text for your new signature! :o (although you've misspelled the last "size" as "szie"... whoops! ^_^) - Strabo412 (talk) 20:37, June 4, 2013 (UTC)

Rei's image and other things
Is it ok if you change Rei's image name to Tokyo Game Show instead of Japan Nintendo Direct? So it won't confuse anyone with your better quality image with mine.

Also in my image of Kakuru Hozumi had her Japanese name or someone else's Japanese name on it in the dialog thing. I can't confirm the Japanese name, but just to let you know if you can translate it.

Another thing...in the Nintendo Direct trailer, it also shows Kakuru's profile picture, but was blury and almost hidden by other screenshots of the game. You can see it if you pause the youtube video at the right moment (its on that same image, but I wasn't quick enough to get it).

I also want to ask you if it is ok if I upload an image (or two) from a Japanese Nintendo 3DS Software Lineup 2013 mini-catalog/advertisement that I found when I was in Japan??

Knowledge can be anything or something you know about. (talk) 21:14, June 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * The "Rei Problem" is now fixed. Would you like me to change the Kakuru Hozumi image to a version with all of the dialogue box in it? Unfortunately, I don't know anything about Japanese myself (otherwise I would have played GK2 and PL vs. PW by now and fixed their affiliated articles), so I can't help on the translation front. I've had a look through the Japanese names of the Case 1 characters, and actually couldn't figure out who is speaking in the dialogue box in the image she appears in, although it doesn't seem likely that it's her name. I did see the profile image you're talking about, but it's too blurry and transparent to really be of any use.


 * I'm not familiar with the mini-catalog/advertisement you're talking about, but if the images are decent enough and you can find somewhere suitable to put them, I don't see why not. You certainly don't need to ask my permission! I would like it if people didn't just upload images and then do nothing with them, but that's more a pet peeve than anything else... - Strabo412 (talk) 18:52, June 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just to let you know, Payne is speaking in the image she's in. He's saying that her body was discovered and I think he also said something about her being a witness to the bombing. Note that I'm only saying this based on a translation somebody else did. TheNewEditor (talk) 19:16, June 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * Aha, I see! I guess that's one mystery solved! Thanks! :) - Strabo412 (talk) 19:18, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies images
Just want to let you know the images were found on the official Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies (Japanese version) website and the product page found on Yodobashi Camera website.Knowledge can be anything or something you know about. (talk) 01:38, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know Ummm Muffin
I don't really remember Franziska actually getting permission (din't want the drag out on the page)


 * Did someone mention muffins? I hope they're either blueberry or strawberry+white chocolate! No? Aww... What's that? A reasonable discussion? That's almost as good! :)


 * To be honest, the only experience I've had with GK2 is the translated playthrough by dowolf on YouTube, so maybe I missed something subtle (although I thought he did a very good job). The only times I remember Franz leaving the courtroom was with everyone else, including Tateyuki Shigaraki/Atticus Stalwart/Raymond Shields and Hakari Mikagami/Angela Von Jure/Justine Courtney (A.K.A. Mr. Fedora and Lady Judge) or when Yumihiko Ichiyanagi/Raymond Furst/Sebastian Debeste (Conductor Prosecutor) takes over. If you could describe the part you're talking about, or whereabouts in the episode it is, that might help jog my memory... - Strabo412 (talk) 13:42, December 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * So when Yumihiko came in with Edgeworth too face his father Franziska decided to leave (or something it was the Grand Turnabout)Franzyfan1998 (talk) 14:10, December 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * If it's the part where Yumihiko takes over from Franziska, I don't think that counts, since technically he was the lead prosecutor and Franziska was just acting as a substitute (although I suppose it would be the only time there has been a change of prosecutors during a trial). - Strabo412 (talk) 14:50, December 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Wait I thought Franziska was the lead prosecutor.(This is what happens when the game's in Japanese) Franzyfan1998 (talk) 22:36, December 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I seem to remember that, according to the translation I saw, Yumihiko was supposed to be the prosecutor for the trial (hence why he had the evidence), but went missing (due to being mistakenly kidnapped). Franziska took over in his stead, but stepped aside once Yumihiko returned. - Strabo412 (talk) 22:49, December 19, 2013 (UTC)

I felt tempted to change badge on your page to a DD evidence styled one for a moment there xD Sligneris (talk) 01:37, December 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your restraint. :) I'll probably change it myself at some point... - Strabo412 (talk) 16:57, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Isn't Goodman's picture with 100px width too small? Sligneris (talk) 17:25, December 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll boost it up to 130px. - Strabo412 (talk) 17:26, December 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Huh? Wasn't 170px fine back then? Sligneris (talk) 17:29, December 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Been trying to have some consistency in terms of character profile image size and it felt a bit big too me. But change it if you like. - Strabo412 (talk) 17:34, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Debut age.
There are several other ages listed on pages like Phoenix Wright article... I think it's a valid idea to post all the ages, which is going to be useful information for any person willing to check. Especially that it can cause quite a confusion, with huge time gaps. Not having all of these listed on a wikia seems like unnecessarily leaving out useful information. We can rephrase "Age during debut" to just "Age", if you think that the way it's called is the problem. Sligneris (talk) 14:08, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, the Phoenix Wright page shouldn't be like that. Thanks for reminding me that I need to take a look at it! Some pages have gone slightly wonky since I left to avoid DD spoilers. Anyways, putting in multiple ages while the field is still called "Age during debut" just looks messy (that would be, I think, six different ages for Phoenix Wright). Age during debut also simplifies what could be a minefield of confusion. If the category is just called "Age", then does that mean I should put in all the ages for that character in all the games they appear in? Or should I expand that to include the age that all characters should be during Dual Destinies, even if they don't appear (which also ties into the whole "possibly deceased" nonsense that needs to be fixed)? What about characters that are just mentioned in one game while appearing in another (like Ema Skye in DD). However, I suppose additional ages could go in, but I think using the mouse-over text option would be better. - Strabo412 (talk) 14:51, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think I'd rather go with each character's age that was listed in in-game court record, that is, the games characters appeared in. We should also mention, in which game characters were in mentioned age. I somehow see it this way, in Phoenix's case, for example:
 * 21 (in Turnabout Memories)
 * 24 (in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney)
 * 25 (in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Justice For All)
 * 26 (in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations)
 * 33 (in Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney)
 * 34 (in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies)
 * Or, in Trucy's case:
 * 8 (seven years before Turnabout Succession) or (in the "Past"/flashback part of Turnabout Succession)
 * 15 (in Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney)
 * 16 (in Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies)
 * We could always put the comment regarding the game the age applies to under a *, sure
 * Remember how I also suggested replacing all the "deceased" stuff with Alive/Dead status? It would be "Status" category below the "Age" one. Let us have one for Professor Means.
 * Alive (as of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Dual Destinies) or (as of Turnabout Academy)
 * It would be similar or identical in all non-victim DD characters. Sligneris (talk) 15:49, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * And you don't think that sounds needlessly complicated and horrendously messy? We only just got the character template under control by hiding aliases! I think a better option would be "Age at debut" and "Age at last appearance" (or a better rephrasing of that), and I suppose you could add in a "Most recent appearance" field to go with "Debut". As for "Status", I think that's too close to speculation territory (besides, the "Death" field already covers characters that we know are dead). Unless a character appears I think we should remove the whole speculative "is this character dead, or are they alive?" thing. And I'm pretty sure that's coming from the guy who put most of the "possibly deceased" bits in (even if it wasn't originally my idea)...


 * tl;dr: Why complicate matters? Does it really add anything? - Strabo412 (talk) 22:21, January 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hm, I don't think it would be too big mess, considering that Phoenix has the biggest amount of these ages than any other character, so it would rarely have more than 6 positions. However, your idea is fine too, I guess. I think the Status thing though is the exact opossite of what you think of it... It was meant to reduce speculation, actually. "Alive" would state they were alive to the point of their last appearance (which is the point of this "as of"). That much, anyone can tell. "Dead" is for all the characters stated as deceased in game, and in this case we would note the first time they are mentioned as such. However you might have the point about the "Death" field... Hm.
 * Whichever way it is, I don't think having either "deceased" or "possibly deceased" stated in the age section is a good idea, especially next to age at the specific point in time. In Dahlia's case, it gives people false impression she died at the age of 20. Sligneris (talk) 16:34, January 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * So... When do we get to implementing any of that? Sligneris (talk) 22:50, January 11, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, since we haven't actually decided what "any of that is", not quite yet. Also, there should probably be some sort of discussion away from my talk page so other people can have the chance to put in their two cents. But first, in terms of what we could do. I've made a modified version of the "Biological information" section on my sandbox for a couple of characters. Thoughts? One thing I was thinking (but haven't implemented) was to include other ages, but in the form of a collapsible table. That would mean that the debut age would still be first, but with the click of a button, you could see all the other ages past and present. - Strabo412 (talk) 12:46, January 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hm... I think with the "Status" right below the age, there is no need for "deceased" there. I will always support the idea of listing all the ages, though I'm not sure if the collapsible table is necessary, as it's pretty rare for any characters to have more than maybe four ages... The exception being most of the main cast, of course. However, if that's one way of implementing it, I have nothing against it. However, I think we should make visible "Age at last appearance" you mentioned, which in my opinion is a bit crucial information. Sligneris (talk) 13:36, January 12, 2014 (UTC)