The Years[]
I never understood how the years are determined. I suppose a year had to be mentioned once to make all the connections, but when was that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balathehedgehog9 (talk). Please sign your posts with ~~~~
- The first and only time a year has been mentioned was in Turnabout Goodbyes when they stated that Gregory Edgeworth died in 2001. With that we made the timeline.Franzyfan1998 (talk) 21:09, September 24, 2014 (UTC)
- Not to be rude, but have you tried reading the page? - Strabo412 (talk) 21:47, September 24, 2014 (UTC)
My Opinions[]
I think it's time for me to address the whole Godot issue and why I think he has to be born in 1984-1985 rather than 1985-86 according to the two-year principle. Now from the theory it says "Under this modification of the no-birthday principle, each time period is assigned two years instead of one, as follows" so on and so forth.
Now the issue is that it is not clear if it is when the game ends or if if it is when the game starts. Now before I rant this really only applies to the games rather than indiviual incidents.
If it is when the game starts than there is no conflict with Godot's birthyear. Have it be in 1986. But if it is when it ends then that's when the problem comes in. Not only with obvious math errors in birthyears (seriously if you know someone has a birthday apply both ages in considering the approriate birthyears), but with the actual thing in theory too.
For example it is stated that DL-6 takes place in either 2001 or 2002. But if Ace Attorney ends in 2016 (Rise from the Ashes) then the majority takes place in 2015. A fourteen year difference maximum.
What does this have to do with birthyears? Well we covered Godot, but let's look another character with a definite birthday range, Maggey (22 in September 2017 and 23 in February 2019). Now prior to my edit it was listed that her possible birthyears were 1995 and 1996. If JFA ends in 2017 then it starts in 2016. 2016-1996=20. Well you get the jist.
Now if it implies it being when the games start than tell me and we'll forget this whole thing ever happened. But if not well than we're in trouble.Franzyfan1998 (talk) 02:55, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
- "But if Ace Attorney ends in 2016 (Rise from the Ashes) then the majority takes place in 2015."
- "If JFA ends in 2017 then it starts in 2016."
- The first game doesn't end in 2016. It ends in 2017. It begins in 2016. The second game takes place in 2017-2018. I'm still not sure why you keep subtracting a year. I seriously don't understand what you're doing. There shouldn't be this nonsense about "when the game starts" or "when the game ends" because the ranges say when the games take place. It's weird that you keep doing this while claiming to have the math right. capefeather (talk) 03:34, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
- To be fair it was a little vague. It wasn't like it was explicitly mentioned (these are the years in which the game takes place). The only problem now is that some characters who have definite birthday ranges i.e. Prince, Maggey, and Godot are now stuck with two birthyears.Franzyfan1998 (talk) 12:06, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
- Even now, I still believe my old "year reference" system to be the best, because it keeps things consistent while simplifying matters without unnecessary ambiguity, but to each their own. I did stop pushing on the matter, after all. - Sligneris (talk) 21:29, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
- I know why this two-year system exists. And for the most part (on a birthday term) it works. Characters like Lauren who only showed up once certainly benifit from it. In essence yes she could be born in both 1999 and 2000 and still be 19 in 2019 no matter what year she was born in. So yes I see it works in most situations.
- But then there are characters like Godot, Dustin, and even Maggey who have this birthday range of varying degrees. They, and others, are strongly hinted to have one possible birthyear.
- Look I'll never fully be happy or satisfied with this system, but, since the majority of characters from what I can see, do benefit from this two-year system I'll drop the matter.Franzyfan1998 (talk) 22:19, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, with this system I tried making things "consistent while simplifying matters without unnecessary ambiguity", but in practice there's unfortunately a fourth criterion, the one that's the most important to prevent pointless edit wars. That is that it has to "look right" to the average viewer/editor. Apparently since we regular users are still talking about this with nothing new brought up, satisfying all four criteria seems impossible. And inevitably the same thing would happen with the "year reference" system, too (i.e. people continually trying to "fix" AJ's year to 2026 if we go with AJ taking place in 2025). capefeather (talk) 00:53, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, that is a major problem. Some wikias lock pages under circumstances like this, but it doesn't seem like a fitting solution here, especially given the fact that not only "Timeline" article deals with dates.
Personally, I think it does look a bit awkward to see two birthday years for every character, but I do understand how it works and why it's in place. Still, from what I've seen so far, it doesn't exactly prevent people from editing it... Sligneris (talk) 11:42, November 7, 2014 (UTC)