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I've never really liked "Villains" as the name of this category. Surely there must be something more suitable? Culprits perhaps? - Strabo412 (talk) 16:14, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that then we'd have to remove character like Story Teller and add crimal characters, like Mack Rell. Sligneris (talk) 16:41, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Edit: Oh, nevermind. Mack Rell's already there. xD

There must be a better name we can come up with for this category... - Strabo412 (talk) 16:59, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
If I may throw this in, I like the idea of "culprits". CrashBash (talk) 17:03, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Gyakuten Kenji 2 villain names Edit

Can't we just use the fanmade english names of the Gyakuten Kenji 2 villains? Japan clearly has zero plans of releasing their own english version, so we should just accept the english names as canon. JolteonUltra (talk) 23:22, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

First of all, why pick out the villains in particular? Second of all, you could try convincing people here. capefeather (talk) 00:16, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
Not just the villains, every new character. JolteonUltra (talk) 00:22, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
The simple answer is "No", it doesn't matter that Capcom isn't going to release it in English, the English fannames are exactly that...fannames. As in, not official. Anyone can name a character something if it's not been released in their language. CrashBash (talk) 20:14, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
The simple answer is "it's being discussed" (although even if we do decide to eventually use them, they still won't be "canon")... - Strabo412 (talk) 21:42, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

I think we should use the Fan Translation names until the character's names are confirmed one way or another. 75.108.29.6 17:32, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Why? We didn't use fannames for the Dual Destinies characters prior to them being confirmed. CrashBash (talk) 19:52, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

HoniboEdit

Someone keeps on removing Ryoken Honibo from this section. Does anybody consider him to be a villain? He killed someone by request of another person, which is also what De Killer did, and he's in this category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.108.29.6 (talk) . Please sign your posts with ~~~~

OK, first of all, you need to sign your posts, using this symbol ~ four times. Second of all, you needed to create a new header, not add it to an existing conversation. Those two are just bits of constructive criticism, though. Thirdly, and the issue at hand, I'm not sure being an assassin counts as being a "villain" by the game's context. Also, consider this...by the time the game actually starts, Honibo has already been arrested. He never acts as a villain in the game itself. Some may disagree, but I've removed de Killer too. CrashBash (talk) 20:12, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
The category probably needs rewording at some point. - Strabo412 (talk) 21:42, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Oyashiki Edit

Should we put Katherine Hall in this category? She did attempt to kill Dane Gustavia, and she got arrested for her crimes. In my opinion, I would put her in the same category as Acro and Marlon Rimes. 75.108.29.6 22:03, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Why did you make this AFTER adding it as a category? Your actions make no sense. Also, the answer is no, because she is not treated as one in game. CrashBash (talk) 16:45, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Okay... 75.108.29.6 19:33, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Technically, Katherine's crime is the one being investigated for most of the "present" portion of the episode. It's only after that's solved that the culprit of the "past" portion is brought to light. capefeather (talk) 20:09, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Morgan Fey / SubcategoriesEdit

There's two things that are kind of bugging me about this category. First, should Morgan Fey really be here? I know she's obviously a villain (and treated as such in the game), but she never killed anyone, which is the definition of villain on this wiki. Second, those subcategories seem out of place. Accomplices aren't villains, and having "Criminals under solitary" as a subcategory doesn't seem right because Terry Fawles isn't a villain. --Bluebully (talk) 23:59, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

I've not been super content with this category for a fair while. A rename may be a possibility, but to what? Culprits? True culprits? Murders/manslaughterers? But then what about Marlon Rimes? Would just changing the definition be a better option?
That being said, having Morgan Fey in this category could just as legitimate as having Matt Engarde in it, as both had someone else kill for them. Your point about the subcategories makes sense though. Maybe they could be moved to "Characters"? - Strabo412 (talk) 20:46, January 19, 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest something along the lines of changing the villains category to describe a character's role in the story (out-of-universe, like Rivals) as opposed to their role in events inside the story (in-universe, like Prosecutors). If we do this, there will probably be some amount of subjectivity involved. I'd imagine that it would contain at least one character for every episode / PLvsPW:AA chapter who would be designated as the main antagonist, and in Bridge, for example, there might be multiple characters whom we might consider the villains of that episode. This is somewhat related to my suggestion on Talk:Breakdown from about a year ago. capefeather (talk) 21:16, January 19, 2016 (UTC)

This categoryEdit

Continuing from the points brought up in the conversation above. Following your ideas, I'd like to make a suggestion as to what to do with this category: maybe we could rename it to something less ambiguous (my vote is for "Culprits"), make "Villains" a subcategory of that, and save "Villains" for just the "big ones" that have a major impact on the plot (Dahlia, Kristoph, the phantom etc.) Thoughts? Bluebully (talk) 13:43, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

Or maybe "Villains" and "Culprits" could be separate categories altogether rather than a subcategory...? Bluebully (talk) 22:19, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
I know it's kinda late to answer this but I agree with the former, I say this category should be renamed "Culprits" and that we should make a subcategory with its original name ("Villains").
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