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In the interest of catching up on things to do, particularly tasks other than content improvement/maintenance, I'm opening this topic to discuss the possibility of using a modal window to welcome visitors to the site, possibly replacing/altering the use of Template:WelcomeMessages to welcome first-time contributors on their talk pages. Such a modal can be seen in action here, as well as on Wikipedia's mobile site. I do have concerns about modal windows as I know that some people find them annoying and intrusive.

Slyst has suggested using this to warn the visitor of spoilers, since for many it seems that the spoiler message on the main page isn't very effective. In the past, a spoiler warning was put into a sitenotice that was put at the top of every page, but such a thing was discouraged by Wikia staff, and eventually the sitenotice functionality was discontinued. I think we need to examine the importance of spoilers for this series, and what types of spoilers people fall into. People tend to highly overrate the effects of spoilers on their enjoyment of a story, but since Ace Attorney is mystery fiction, there's some justification to avoiding spoilers that don't apply to other types of fiction. That said, I've enjoyed these games and found plenty to think about even when I had culprits spoiled beforehand (which seems to be what most people are thinking when they complain about spoilers), and I believe that this has something to do with the process of catching the culprit and seeing how the characters react to different situations.

capefeather (talk) 19:15, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Good to see this is finally open for discussion. The "welcome modal" idea I originally developed has evolved into something lesser intrusive - a module prepended to the right rail, since I've had people complain about how the modal cannot be closed without clicking any of the two options. The module version can be seen here (source). Here's how it works: the module on the right is displayed for any first-time visitors; accessing the site from any other device will also cause the module to be displayed. The contents of the module are fetched from this template. There are two buttons at the bottom: "Cancel" and "Don't show again." Clicking "Cancel" will simply dismiss the module, but it will appear again when the page is reloaded. This will continue up to a total of 3 times. If "Don't show again" is clicked, the module will be removed and won't appear again. An added bonus is a message targeted specifically towards anonymous users (look at this while logged out).
Of course, this won't guarantee that people won't spoil themselves, but it does provide a way to get across the spoiler warning on a much larger scale. slyst 09:14, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
It sounds like a good idea to me in some form, as I'm sure a fair number of people enter the wiki via pages other than the main page. I do agree with Capefeather to an extent when it comes to spoilers, as a great piece of media should be a joy to experience even if you know some of the twists (I've had a certain recent film already spoiled for me, but I'm still looking forward to seeing it). Anyway, I think the "welcome modal" idea would be a welcome courtesy to new users, as we should try to avoid inadvertently ruining other people's experiences of the series without sacrificing the wiki's aim of having as comprehensive and accurate information as possible. Not everyone enjoys the same media the same way, but I think most people would prefer plot points to be a surprise rather than not if it can be helped. - Strabo412 (talk) 01:24, December 24, 2015 (UTC)
All right. The welcome message can be found here. Thoughts? capefeather (talk) 01:05, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
Looks great! I've seen you've added the required javascript too, but you might also want to:
  • protect Template:Welcome.
  • change "Welcome to the Sia Wiki!" to "Welcome to the Ace Attorney Wiki!" or whatever title you want.
  • search for "passer-by" in the code and replace it with whatever you want to address anons with.
  • add this css to MediaWiki:Wikia.css for proper styling.
- slyst 09:05, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
Some thoughts:
  • Using one of the speech bubbles right at the top might be a good idea for a bit of colour. "Hold it!" or "Welcome!" maybe?
  • Spoiler message right below that so it's more obvious, and possibly in the same style as it is on the front page, again so that it's more obvious.
  • Maybe rephrase the main body of the text so it has a bit more "character" as it were? Perhaps something like: "Hello, [name]. The court recognizes you as a new witness (editor), so welcome to the Ace Attorney Wiki! We hope that you will take the stand (stay) and testify (contribute) so that we can make the Wiki even better! Before you begin, please take the time to look over the rules of the courtroom by taking a look at the help pages and our site policies. Here are a few links to get you started with the wiki:". Well, you get the general idea. If it has a bit of character, people are probably going to be more inclined to read it.
  • Wouldn't "Ace Attorney Wiki:Manual of style", "Recent changes", "Ace Attorney Wiki:Things to do", "Forum:Index", and "Users" be more helpful starting links? - Strabo412 (talk) 14:45, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
Updated with some of Strabo412's suggestions. Though, I don't know if it's possible to put images in the title, nor am I sure that it's a good idea. The title is pulled from a string in MediaWiki:Common.js so I'm pretty sure that wiki formatting wouldn't work there. About the spoiler warning, I can see cases for putting it at the top or at the bottom. At the bottom means the reader sees helpful and informative links before being hit with a warning message. At the top might make it easier to see for someone who really isn't interested in participating. capefeather (talk) 19:57, January 1, 2016 (UTC)
First things first: in MediaWiki:Wikia.css, you need to replace the backslashes in "\* For the welcome module *\" with slashes (/), so that the css directly below it works properly. Also on a similar note, remove the syntaxhighlight tags on the first and last line - they're useless.
It is possible to include images - you'd have to replace the current script with this one (I'll update the template once you're done submitting it). That would allow free editing of the title, without relying on the common.js revisions getting reviewed. A 100-150px image should be fine, imo. I prefer the "Hold it!" version more; makes it more in-universe with the follow-up text. Also, I was thinking about using template:tt for the details in the parentheses. About the spoiler warning, I'm gonna assume Strabo meant the position to be just below the "Welcome!" or "Hold it!" bubble, which would make sense for a warning. slyst 21:53, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
Alright, done with the template. It currently looks like this. I've moved the spoiler warning to the top, added the "Hold it!" bubble and used {{tt}}. If you feel like anything there needs to be changed, go ahead. slyst 23:44, January 5, 2016 (UTC)
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