Ace Attorney Wiki
Ace Attorney Wiki

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Hey, guys![]

So I noticed that there was no talk page on the main page, so here it is. I just thought that a few of the more nitpicky subjects like spoiler policies, how to get more users in, how to interpret certain weird plot inconsistencies, etc. could be discussed here. This page could also be a place to bring specific issues up like orphaned pages and such.

I think that right now some of the biggest issues include orphaned pages like State VS Enigmar (perhaps it should be merged into Turnabout Succession? The case is actually playable, unlike the DL-6 Incident and the SL-9 Incident) as well as how to handle spoiler material and what to do with the age contradictions. -capefeather 18:03, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


I'll try and add a few more case summaries this week, possibly for the longer cases but I've noticed that there seems to be a severe lack of contributors in general, besides those who perform the minor edits. Is there any particular reason for this? Surely there must be a lot of Ace Attorney fans out there? ;/ -Premonition 14:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Two words: Court Records. But seriously, I don't think I could invest the time to make a complete episode page practically from scratch, myself. -capefeather 23:43, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
While I admire and respect Court Records it's by no means a comprehensive wiki as this has the potential to be. I do agree that taking the effort to write episode summaries from scratch can be quite time consuming, although I strangely enjoy the satisfaction when it's completed lol. -Premonition 05:37, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
That may be, but the sheer popularity of the site probably draws people away from other fan projects like this wiki. It looks like Wikipedia and GameFAQs/GameSpot are the only sites that even link to this place. -capefeather 17:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Main Page design[]

I did a little redesign of the Main Page yesterday, but I'm kind of at a loss as to where to go with this. I basically moved most of the "important" information from the upper-left box to the top to make it more prominent (as text already existed at the top). I felt that it was kind of redundant to put "Ace Attorney Wiki" in two places on the Main Page. But now I'm still uneasy about it... I wonder whether Template:Current events should be squeezed into a third column (like the Final Fantasy Wiki, or whether I should just leave it where it is (like the StarCraft Wiki. Maybe I should put in more pictures/buttons or something. I'm just not sure. capefeather 00:03, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

The new look is good, though I'm afraid the brown color isn't my style haha. The Template:Current events looks fine the way it is in my view but some more pictures would always be welcome I guess. Not quite sure what you mean by buttons though. I do have a question actually; how often does the random quote on the main page change? -Premonition 12:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I was going for a courtroom-style look :( I guess I was influenced by the colours of the benches and the buttons that appear in the games. The skin also had yellow, the other prominent colour in the courtroom. It seemed appropriate. The default skin selection is pretty limited, and I barely know any CSS, so yeah. Do you have a suggestion for a better skin? As for the random quote thing, I'm not really sure myself. Maybe it picks one every time you bypass your cache. capefeather 21:49, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I guess Sapphire would be good for representing Wright & Co. Law Offices, as his books are all blue. Or Jade might represent Charley. I guess I could go back to Sapphire for now. capefeather 22:02, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I like the sapphire skin to be honest, it looks more clean and easy on the eye. The brown color looked kinda.....unpleasant? That's only my own opinion though, I'm quite sure there's probably others who liked it. Although I do understand the color choice now that you mentioned the courtroom style look. - Premonition 13:22, 26 October 2008 (UTC)


I noticed that some of the character pages don't have their sprites :\ I think the sprites should be on there. I mean, sure, we'ed ether have to get them off somewhere like Court-Records or something, or rip them ourselves, but the Articles do look a little bare without them. It seems a little stupid not to have them. ~~Takoto 14:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

  • We usually try and get offical art/good fan art for the character page. If we can't find that we use the sprites Ruan 9:48 27 Novemer 2008 (GMT)
I know that, but still, the articles should contain their sprites. This is a Wiki, and Wiki's normally try to get every piece of information about a certain subject. Leaving out the sprites when you could easily get them is stupid. You could just make a small section of the bottom and put their sprites there. Look at the Pokémon Wiki, Bulbapedia, they use the official artwork, and also have the sprites. ~~Takoto 18:35, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
If you mean Cody Hackins and Joe Darke (I don't think I've missed any others), I just never got around to it. Sorry :( Yeah. Basically, it seems like the Gyakuten Kenji official art takes priority, followed by original official art and sprites, or sprites could replace official art if it's in a magazine with other weird drawings and stuff and isn't really fit to be the main portrait. At least, that's what I think was the case before I got here. capefeather 23:08, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Also, if you mean character pages with OAs but no sprites, I suppose we ought to put them in, but most of the character articles aren't complete in the first place, which kind of limits good places to put the sprite images. capefeather 23:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Look, what I mean is keep the Official Artwork, but make something at the bottom or something for the sprites to go in. Like I said earlier, "This is a Wiki, and Wiki's normally try to get every piece of information about a certain subject. Leaving out the sprites when you could easily get them is stupid". Does anyone here even understand what I'm suggesting. ~~Takoto 23:38, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
Are you suggesting we obtain/ rip off the sprite sheets from Court Records or something? If so, I believe there are more important things to get done first. Like I dunno, actually having full case summaries for every case? I don't see a necessary reason to include spritesheets/links to sprite sheets as a priority as they're easily obtained, as you say from Court Records. But by all means, if you feel they are vastly important, do feel free to add/link to them someplace on the respective pages. This is a wiki so don't be afraid to use your initiative! - Premonition 23:55, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I also ask that you ask things more politely, as I've already answered your question. Sure, the point of this wiki is to be a comprehensive source of AA info, but right now, we're NOT a comprehensive source of AA info in the slightest, so our priorities are not on pics that much. By all means, put sprites in wherever you deem them likely (you can use <gallery></gallery> to make a gallery), but I don't think that's nearly the most important thing right now. capefeather 02:31, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Ugggggh. Sorry. I really didn't mean to snap, recently i've been having... er, personality issues recently. *cough*Bipoler*cough* ~~Takoto 16:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Now that character pages are in a much better state than they were in 2008, I was thinking that the idea of a sprite gallery for characters is now much more reasonable. However, I was wondering if people had any thoughts on how to go about this. Would just a "Sprite gallery" section on the character page be suitable? Taking Phoenix Wright's page as a good example of a character page with plenty of sections, whereabouts on a page would be a good place to put it? Which sprites should go in it? Just the DS ones? Just the HD ones? Both? Taking Lana Skye as an example, if both sets were used on her page that would add up to 40 images. Would a separate page for the sprites be better? Does each character get their own page or are, say, PW: AA characters put on the same page? Thoughts? I'm thinking at the moment that it might be OK just to have a gallery at the very bottom of a page, above a page's references. But that's just me. - Strabo412 (talk) 18:42, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I'll just go ahead and put what I have in mind on Lana Skye's page (a sprite of her in "unused images" had me thinking about sprite gallerys, in case you were wondering why her). - Strabo412 (talk) 18:53, July 27, 2012 (UTC)


I had been browsing this site, and was curious, there is the Breakdown page, where it lists the breakdowns of different characters, and then it occurred to me, that the only characters who have Breakdowns are the suspects themselves, and the other characters have 'Surprise' moments, or Freakouts if you want to call it that, and are less severe than the Breakdowns, often just when the character gets shocked. Basically, who's in favor of creating a separate page for the shocks? Yes, I know that there are other pages in need of fixing, but this is just something that has been bugging me. --Idene 17:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

EDIT: OR, instead of creating a new page entirely, how about simply putting a second bullet of their shock moment? Any ideas or opinions are appreciated on this. --Idene 17:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Although Talk:Breakdown is probably the better place to have this conversation, I suppose a mention of it here would help. But I honestly don't know what to do with that article. When I look at it, I think of questions like:

  • What exactly is a breakdown?
  • Is it too vague a term to keep an article about it?
  • (As you said) Should there be separate articles for other animation categories like "surprised", etc.?
  • Is the name "breakdown" even appropriate?
  • Would video footage of the breakdowns be better?

I've tried to raise the issue on the talk page and got no reply, so I don't know how successful this will be in getting people to talk about it. capefeather 20:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Fan-made stuff?[]

As per recent edits to the main page by a new editor, do people think that this wiki should document notable fan works? If so, how are we going to go about deciding what's "notable"? I'm not sure it would be appropriate to document every fan work under the sun. capefeather 16:31, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, aren't we more of an in-universe wiki, with some out-universe elements, but sticking to non-fan made stuff? (fanbooks of the series being exempt from this) I mean, they could just use the Gyakuten Wiki for such things. To be succinct, I'm against it. --Tutuboy95 16:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Including fanworks is a very slippery slope - it's not relevant if it's not endorsed by Capcom or similar. Best to avoid it altogether. - NPChilla1 17:06, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, as the 'new editor' in question, my opinion on this might seem kinda biased, but fanwork-related articles should stay, just as minor articles not given as much attention as the articles for official material. - Mr. PBJ

Actually, you're not the new editor in question. Some dude put "The fan creations" into the Main Page one day. To the point, though, I think that you could convince people better by explaining your argument and addressing the issues Tutuboy95, NPChilla1 and I have pointed out. capefeather 18:02, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
I am the said "New editor", and before I made The article I did not know that Gyakuten Wiki existed. Therefore I am now against the addition of fan creations. HOWEVER, I do believe Remnants of the Past should be noted in the wiki.

Ohh! Well, I saw the Fan Creations thing on the main page, and since I was using the editor at the time, I made the AAO article. I think Fan Creations should be added, but in a minor scale (such as websites, tools, etc.), but unlike Gyakuten Wiki, not make articles on the trials themselves. - PBJ 30 August 29, 15:04 (EST)

EDIT: See? Articles such as AAO, PWLib (if it is ever made), or other websites/engines should stay. But Articles such as the 'boot to the head' thing should not be allowed.

To those not doing so already, please sign your posts with "~~~~". We would still have to address how we're going to go about deciding what's "notable", because this could easily become a very slippery slope as NPChilla1 mentioned. capefeather 19:28, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
We could just do a brief overview, like all the case makers that are critically acclaimed/most popular (such as PWLib and AAO) but not give huge lists of trials. And I don't think such a thing needs to go on the front page. While it is duly noted, it hardly is as important as "Characters" and such. --Tutuboy95 13:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

No deletion! PLEASE! I do like the "Boot to the head" thing, but seriously! PLEASE DO NOT DELETE THE THING! ~~~~Darkus

To be fair to the Boot to the Head article, it is the very top result when searching "Phoenix Wright" on YouTube. That could count as a "notable" fan work. capefeather 14:23, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Since there's so little to say about each fan-work, would it be easier to make a single list of all these things to save space? Otherwise we could end up with a wiki mostly filled with slashfic and all sorts of nonsense. NPChilla1 22:16, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Well, slashfics are a lot less prominent than a top result of a YouTube search... Also, if something were notable enough, I suspect that we'd be able to make an article long enough for it to exist by itself. capefeather 22:28, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hold on a second. Cannot we just use Logic for one moment? The Ace Attorney Wiki is meant for one thing, and that is studying the universe of Ace Attorney. No matter how popular, I do not see Boot to the Head as needed material, due to the fact that it has never officially appeared in any games. It may be popular, however it is NOT IMPORTANT. Hardly anything such as Characters, or Locations, correct?

The people on this wiki decide what the Ace Attorney Wiki is meant for, really. capefeather 00:35, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Main Page sections[]

So I've rearranged the sections on the Main Page for search engine optimization purposes, but I'm not entirely sure on the placement of some things, in particular the random quote section.

I'm getting a bit suspicious of using the poll function for featuring articles. Apparently, the function is very simplistic and abusable, and people seem to keep voting for characters overwhelmingly over everything else. Additionally, I think I'm running out of articles to feature due to many articles needing serious attention, and at this point I'm afraid of featuring characters who appear in AAI.

I think I can admit at this point that I'm not very good at maintaining a general news page. Do people have suggestions for the news section, or does anyone want to help with maintaining the news section? capefeather 21:26, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

I like the way The Nintendo Wiki is set up. We could try and set it up in a similar way, and put the Random Quote at the top of the page, like it used to be.
As for the Featured Article, are there any other ways for it to be decided? Also, we could put up a "How you can help" or something of the like so some would be a little more inclined to expand articles.--Tutuboy95 23:20, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
I thought the to do list did just that. capefeather 00:21, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
Concerning the FA, I figured a nomination process like ones found in other wikis would be better, but it seems that's not going to be feasible considering the total lack of input. I guess a vote's fine. capefeather 00:54, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Outside the games[]

So I guess the consensus is that a brief overview of fan works could/should be made? Right now I have a category:community consisting of category:Capcom and category:fandom, as well as a possible category:press events. The Main Page can be edited accordingly to actions people take on this.

Press events coverage is a bit varied in other wikis. I did some quick Google searches, and some wikis have only official press events hosted by the developer company (e.g. The StarCraft Wiki includes an article on BlizzCon and only BlizzCon), whereas others include press events held by others (e.g. The Nintendo Wiki includes the Tokyo Game Show despite Nintendo not usually even attending TGS). Still other wikis use a news namespace or something similar. I've felt for a while that this wiki also ought to have articles on press events, but maybe the Gaming Wiki's articles on e.g. TGS are sufficient? Captivate is a Capcom-run press event; perhaps it should have an article?

I don't know what exactly the relationship is between the developers and the Gyakuten Saiban Guidebooks, so I'm not sure how their existence impacts all of this or what category is right for them. capefeather 19:28, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if this matters to anyone concerning this, but Tokyo Game Show articles on other Wikia are pretty mediocre at best... Additionally, there are NO Captivate articles. capefeather 19:33, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Main Page and Evidence Items[]

Is it just me or is the main page a bit...(to use the technical term) wonky? The "Recently released titles" window thingie overlaps Gyakuten Saiban 5 and Gyakuten Kenji for me. Speaking of Gyakuten Kenji, why is that there? Ace Attorney Investigations already has a wee icon. I'm hesitant to modify the main page as I wasn't sure if anyone else has problems with it and I'm scared that if I start tampering with it, it might break into tiny pixel shards that could fly out of the screen and hurt someone...

I was also wondering if it would be worthwhile having a page listing the evidence items for each game, just for completion's sake. Obviously you wouldn't have an individual page for each object (except for the ones that already do). Would this be a worthwhile thing to try or is it pointless O.C.D.-ness? Strabo412 17:40, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

About the latter, I don't see why not. About the former, it looks fine to me, so it might be a resolution thing. Now that you mention it, though it does seem a bit redundant to have a "recently released titles" section. capefeather 18:40, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
Just realised that the Gyakuten Kenji "doubler" icon I was babbling about was in fact just some text about its release date and the "Wikia Gaming" icon. Whoops! :P Strabo412 16:16, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


The current wiki logo has rough edges and black lines just suddenly end, I know its because of the original AAI logo.

I have taken the initiative of creating one by modding the AAI logo similar to the current one but with a nicer finish though its still alittle rough.

This is my personal work. Please have a look and if its good enough use it to replace the current logo. You can also make suggestions for me to adjust the current one.KiasuKiasiMan 13:48, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

The logo was uploaded on 03:03, June 3, 2009. I figured that someone would notice and do something about the obvious flaws eventually. I know virtually nothing about fixing images like this, so that's why it was left like that. It's good to see that this has finally happened. capefeather 14:16, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
Objection! The classic style is better looking. 23:44, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
The image is basically the same except with the weird kinks gone. I mean, sure, the "WIKI" part is different, but I'm not entirely sure what you're complaining about. capefeather 00:58, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
The "Wiki" part uses a funny-looking font, it looks out of place. As you can notice, all of the game logos use formal-looking fonts, it's what people expect from AA. 01:08, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, thats my fault, I didn't know what font to use for the Wiki part since its very hard to alter the word Wiki based on the current Investigations part. So I attempted to use a similar one. It would be great if someone could suggest a more suitable font for the Wiki part.KiasuKiasiMan 14:17, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
If nothing else, the logo itself looks so much better now in general. Nice work. Strabo412 16:12, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ghost Trick[]

Well, I've barely been following Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective at all, so I only just found out about this, which implies that there is significant crossover between GT:PD and Ace Attorney and perhaps GT even takes place in the AA universe. This considered, it seems very likely at this point that we'll have more Ghost Trick content here. I find it a bit unfortunate that this was never brought up in the ~month that it was around, but oh well. How should we go about reacting to future GT:PD news? capefeather 00:47, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

The only crossover I've seen has been a dog called Missile. How about if anything else is revealed that it goes in a section called something like "References in other media" on its respective page? At least until it is confirmed whether or not they take place in the same universe. Strabo412 13:29, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
I've just found it odd that several people have treated this (or maybe something else?) as confirmation that they're in the same universe. I'm getting Perfect Prosecutor vibes. capefeather 15:06, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
Well, let's be honest; people are odd. If nothing else I myself can't really see AA characters in the sort of art style GH characters are in... Strabo412 00:48, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Manga stuff[]

This message comes in response to the creation of the (probably) poorly named stub article "Phoenix Wright Manga". Now, I'm not exactly an expert on the manga, so I've largely avoided it. However, I have believed for a long time that the wiki should eventually have significant encyclopedic content about the manga. I guess the main problem is that there are multiple manga around that (I think?) are authorized, so it would be worthwhile to establish canon issues and such. capefeather 15:34, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Can't we...[]

Change the Featured Article to Lady von Whippenburg now? She's obviously going to win and it's almost the end of the month. --LifeSentence 18:42, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Something about making Phoenix Wright the first article to be featured for only one month doesn't sit right with me. Of course, the first couple of featured articles only lasted a week due to the lack of a schedule in place, but still. capefeather 02:45, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
My first impression is that nothing sits right with you, Mr. Feather. --LifeSentence 22:30, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, you're not in much of a position to criticize me. You have yet to make any direct, meaningful contribution to this wiki. You have even deleted your talk page containing ways to do just that. What that tells me is that you do not intend to make any direct, meaningful contribution to this wiki in the future.

The featured article system is not some kind of popularity contest. A great article gets exposure for two months to set an example for similar articles. It's almost frightening that people don't understand this and keep picking character articles. capefeather 23:28, October 3, 2010 (UTC)


That stung.

Well, you got me, Mr. Feather. Every time I join a wiki, I always do things that make people seem to despise me. I guess it's just my characteristics. But in the end, I do help out a lot. Just you wait. Sorry about critizing you.

Okay, I got your point on the Featured Article system. The wiki I used to be on was hectic and uncoordinated. We had an Article of the week, but it turned out to be Article of whenever-the-admins-feel-like-it. So, point taken. I suppose I don't have a say in this, I am talking with an admin. That's like trying to chop down a tree with a butter knife. LifeSentence 20:34, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

OK, I apologize for the manner in which I responded. I've been responding to people rather coldly lately, just about everywhere I go on the internet. Still, the comment that you made on Oct. 3 was honestly rather rude and that's the main thing that I reacted to. A lot of times in general, contributors don't appreciate so-called "Wikiprincesses" who put random stuff into talk pages and don't actually contribute. So it's almost a slap in the face to see said users suddenly negatively criticizing the contributors who worked to make the wiki work. All that said, my constant fear in this wiki is coming off as an "overlord" who ends up making all the decisions. So I hear what people are saying and, if I to disagree with them, I try to do so politely, with a good explanation. I just want you to know that I considered your concern legit until that "nothing sits right with you" bit. capefeather 01:25, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright[]

Just thought I should mention the upcoming crossover for 3DS (this will be quite a big deal I imagine):

A new article should be created for this project, ja? NPChilla1 14:29, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I just found out from CR and came over here. Phoenix vs Layton oh god. Take that, MvC3. capefeather 14:39, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
Just need to let the world know that of the diehard Phoenix + Layton fans I know, nearly all of them hate the sound of this game. I disagree. Anyone annoyed by this lack of faith also, let me know. BritischeMarioFan 13:42 February 15, 2011 (UTC)


Can people see the sitenotice? It's supposed to show up at the top of every page. I used to be able to see it, but now I can't. capefeather 03:11, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

No sign of it for me. Maybe due to the new wiki layout? Strabo412 17:06, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, that was in the context of the Monaco skin. I don't think that this new skin is using the sitenotice anymore, so I put its contents into the Community Corner/Messages. capefeather 17:52, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

PL vs PW[]

I know it's miles away yet, but I was wondering whether we have plans about what to do about the Layton crossover game? Since it appears to be based in a separate universe from both game series, do we have any ideas about how we'll go about incorporating information about the games into existing Ace Attorney articles? Like Phoenix Wright and Maya Fey's pages for example? Strabo412 15:37, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think that this is going to lead to a sort of segregation between the canon universe and the crossover universe. In any case, the two options seem to be either making a new separate section in Phoenix's and Maya's pages for the crossover, or making new pages like "Phoenix Wright ([something appropriate])". I've seen a lot of wikis like Bulbapedia, the Final Fantasy Wiki, SmashWiki, the Marvel Wiki and the StarCraft Wiki make different pages for the same character for various reasons (like separating canon universes from alternates like Dissidia, Pokémon anime vs games, comics vs movies, etc.), but one similarity is simply the aesthetic advantages of having multiple articles rather than one article that looks like multiple articles. On the other hand, making separate canon articles may not even be necessary; it really depends on the nature of the crossover, I suppose. capefeather 16:23, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
I was thinking that those were really the only two options. I'm personally siding with making separate pages, but I suppose we'll cross that crossover bridge when we come to it... Strabo412 16:53, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ladder/step-ladder page?[]

I think that we should consider making a page for the (step-)ladder gag. It's probably the most notable gag in the series, as well as maybe the only one to exist in all games (or maybe not... can't remember). It just seems silly to mention every instance of it in each case article, as it happened a short while ago. capefeather 02:49, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

I think it would make a very good page. I mean, there's when it started, it's recurrent, and an Ace Attorney own joke. Thinking about this, we could make a page for "Ace Attorney own jokes", but I can only recall the ladders/stepladders joke. By the way, Wright would be mad at Wikipedia. It redirects "stepladder" to the "ladder" page... Jessica Ilha 11:37, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Polld and Logos.[]

I have seen in other wikias that there is alot of nice polls that we can add.

For example: the sprite of the week.( Do we actually has a sprite page??).favourite character(A poll that changes monthly and is about character). Best Editor. stuff like that you know...

SOooooooooooooooooooooooooo........I think that the polls here can improve.

And, the logo is kiiiiiinda small. I think we will do with a better or bgger logo.Ace Detective 11:56, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Last I checked, the logo has to be a fixed size. I don't know if this was changed. capefeather 14:35, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Character theme tracks[]

What's the correct way to write them? I've recently added a few character theme tracks and I noticed that some of them are written normally, with quotation marks (like "Trackname"), while others are put in italics (Trackname), no quotation marks. Jmcdunce 12:35, March 6, 2011 (UTC)

They used to be in italics, but I started to change them to quotes because apparently that's more proper for song titles. That's just Wikipedia convention, though. I think that technically the episode names should also be quoted, but at this point perhaps that should be left be. capefeather 13:54, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I changed them to quotes now. Also, is there any way to make lots of small changes faster? It took quite some time. Jmcdunce 19:24, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

Ask Capcom[]

Wondering if anyone else has seen this (29:45 in the video). Any thoughts? I'm thinking (and hoping) that he's just joking, since he doesn't give a reason. But if it's true.......GGGGGRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!! Strabo412 13:30, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw it on CR yesterday. I guess AAI really didn't sell well enough outside of Japan. :| Too bad, I wanted to know the new characters' English names. I still hope they will reconsider it, or at least give an explanation. Someone said this isn't the first time Capcom did something like that in the Ace Attorney series (that GS2 wasn't originally supposed to get a translation either). Jmcdunce 15:55, April 5, 2011 (UTC)

Canon-vagueness and AA1 endings[]

After mucking about with April May's page a bit I remembered that, depending on your choices when you show her the affidavit, you either find out about White from her or from Grossberg. I've clumsily stuck in the makeshift "canon disclaimer" I used for Missile's page, so I guess that will do for now. However, I'm sure there are quite a few other bits in the games that are a bit wobbly in terms of canon. Keep in mind I'm not talking about optional wee conversation tit-bits like Gumshoe knowing what species Charley is or "bad endings" like the end of Farewell, My Turnabout. Rather I'm talking about stuff like the May thing above and Missile's optional-ness in Turnabout Goodbye.

I was also wondering about the numerous "bad endings" in AA1 that I think happen whenever you mess up an argument. I say think because I only screwed up once in the game and watched as Franziska was dragged away cursing Edgeworth. I mention this because we've made a note of the "bad endings" in the other games. Would such a thing be possible or would it just be a pain in the neck and/or would the number of them just end up making the case articles look like a bomb site? Strabo412 21:54, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Concerning Missile, etc., I guess the issue is the way in which the games treat ambiguously canonical events that the writers don't intend to "clarify". My initial thought was to note optional events as "potential behaviour" in personality sections. This may not be appropriate, though, due to events like the Samurai Dog incident, which is a big part of Missile's representation in the first game. The clearest treatment of optionally canonical situations by the games that I can think of is in some of the responses to showing your badge; some people claim that Phoenix likes to show his badge (and Phoenix even tells Apollo that he used to like to show his badge), which only makes sense if the player's inclination is consistently to show the badge (or not). Maybe we should just note in the bio how to trigger the optional event, if it must be included to help the bio. Something similar could be done for branching events.
Concerning the "bad endings", maybe they could be compiled into an article about them, and AAI case articles could link to said article. I say this because the number of bad endings could cause bloating issues if placed into the case articles themselves. Sorry for the late reply on this; partially I was occupied with other things, and partially I was thinking of how to solve this.

capefeather 19:51, August 25, 2011 (UTC)

Well, I apologise for replying to your reply even later than you! I suppose my current method of dealing with the optional events would do for now unless someone comes up with something better. As for the AAI "bad endings", I guess a separate article could work. If I ever get round to replaying the game I'll make a note of them and assess thing from there... Strabo412 10:58, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Our scope (Re: UMvC3 et al)[]

What should our scope be concerning games that aren't "part of the series" but nonetheless feature characters from the series? Offhand, I can think of Wii Love Golf, Ghost Trick, Layton-kyōju VS Gyakuten Saiban and, of course, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3. Games like the former two contain mere allusions to elements of the series, so their mentions are limited to blurbs in character pages like the references in animes. However, in the latter two, Phoenix is a main playable character. This indicates to me that perhaps there should be pages about UMvC3. On the other hand, the Marvel vs Capcom Wiki already has UMvC3 covered, and PLvAA involves developers who were involved in the AA series. capefeather 15:20, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

For UMvC3, how about something similar to the way Bulbapedia deals with games like Super Smash Bros. Brawl by restricting the article to just things in the game that are about the AA series? Strabo412 10:58, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

After giving it a lot of thought, that's probably the best solution. I guess the difference between Layton vs and Marvel vs is that Phoenix is a defining element of the former but not of the latter. That logic seems kind of backwards typing it out, though. "Phoenix isn't that vital to the game, so we won't talk about the game that much." Oh, well. capefeather 00:36, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

Opening Statement[]

Upon examining the wiki's opening section to Turnabout Goodbyes, I believe, from a stylised viewpoint, that certain other cases may be enhanced by being given the same image. I'm referring to the use of quotes in proportion to the use of actual description, and I would like the suggest this style for some (not all) other cases, for example Turnabout Memories or The Lost Turnabout. If you dislike this idea, simply say, and we'll drop it, but I just think it would be more interesting to look at.Thehumangoomba 12:48, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but are you talking about using the quote template throughout an episode article? If so, while I do agree that it is slightly more visually interesting, I think that it should maybe be limited to the start of each section. Otherwise things tend to get a bit messy. Strabo412 13:04, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'm suggesting the introduction to certain cases, such as The Lost Turnabout's opening dream sequence; i.e;

(Insert spooky music title here) plays

huff... huff
How... how did I get into this mess
That's quite enough!
You can't run forever... Mr. Phoenix Wright!!
The Lost Turnabout

And then we discuss the giant boss-eyed judge.

NB: Firstly, I'm not suggesting an entire section played out in this manner... I just think emphasising certain lines or situations may ensure people get the right idea as to what happens.

Secondly, forgive the lateness of my reply. Poxy computers. :[

Thirdly, I know this isn't the correct text from [The Lost Turnabout], but I haven't played it in Grossberg's years. 12:53, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, I see. Well, I'm personally fine with that. I think most of the case articles are already like that already anyway. Strabo412 14:45, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Zvarri! Just noticed the lack of signature. Sorry, and cheers. I'll see if any others have opinions for cases.Thehumangoomba 15:04, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Featured article "Other" resolution[]

I knew this would happen eventually. Clearly, I'm not an infallible source of "featured article" nominations. I just wish people tried to participate more in this, especially when they vote "Other". For this situation, I've thought of two solutions:

  • feature Dee Vasquez since it got the most non-Other votes;
  • feature Troupe Gramarye, the runner-up from the last poll, which dominated all of the other options save the winner.

Thoughts? capefeather 00:41, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

I think either Dee Vasquez, ignore this one and try again, or try again with both Dee Vasquez and Troupe Gramarye in it. Strabo412 21:19, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

This is NOT the Monty Python Wiki[]

Am I missing the boat here, or is this advertisement that has just appeared on the main page part of the dreaded SPAM clique. Personally, I have become exasperated with the ridiculous dropping of hints and exertions that people like this website, or find this particular fanfiction more promising than the actual games for some bizarre reason. I am well aware that this is typical for many wikis that are tampered with uncouthly, but is there any possible way that we can verify the sources or justify new material? I'm just saying, I don't really desire thumbing through a wealth of 'evidence' that Phoenix is cute or people should try out

Thehumangoomba (talk) 13:11, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

New Character Template![]

Hello everyone! I'm a new here and a newbie in the Ace Attorney's world. Hardly anyone knows me here. But I feel this wiki needs improvement, better templates. So here I am, introducing to you, this forum : New Character Template! Please take out your time and read it through and don't forget to vote!

Regards, Phoenix Wright or Wrong? 15:34, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Welcome! Proactively helpful people are always welcome. Your template is an interesting idea. I've put in my two cents on the forum page. - Strabo412 (talk) 16:58, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Layton crossover localisation confirmed![]

Nintendo Direct video just confirmed that the game is coming to Europe and America early 2014. Plus the name has been tweaked: Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney. That's a LOT to change... NPChilla1 (talk) 14:45, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Age on templates for guilty characters[]

So, for a while, I've noticed that many characters who have been found to be guilty of a crime in one way or another during an episode have the words "possibly deceased" next to their ages. I don't think I recall there ever being a mention of capital punishment anywhere in the series except for Joe Darke. Even if each and every one of the convicts in the series were sentenced to death, the chances of them actually being executed immediately are next to zero. My point being, is there a reason why the words "possibly deceased" are used sp regularly, especially when we've seen cases like Frank Sahwit where the character is still alive two to three years later? Schiffy (T|C) 23:17, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

It's mostly because characters are labeled as "deceased" in the first place. As seen in the age section itself, it's difficult to communicate to a drive-by editor what we precisely mean by even simple-sounding things like "age", and what constitutes a significant probability of being "deceased". I don't really like it, either, but I think it beats having to explain to people that characters aren't necessarily deceased just because the game world has capital punishment in it. As for the capital punishment itself, in The Stolen Turnabout, the judge mentions that capital crime results in capital punishment, and various other instances state that Phoenix has people's lives in his hands. A more accurate treatment of this would be to actually look at Japan's punishment procedures in the early 2000s, but I've never really had the time to conduct that kind of research. capefeather (talk) 13:31, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this. Maybe it would be better to change "(possibly deceased)" to " (possibly executed)". Thoughts? - Strabo412 (talk) 18:29, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
Or, alternatively, put "Possibly executed" under the "Death" section of the character's template? - Strabo412 (talk) 18:34, December 13, 2013 (UTC)

I slightly prefer the first over the second and the way it is right now. Even better would be a solution to the edit wars that pop up from time to time. Maybe we should just go by the insinuations regardless of whether they're consistent with real Japanese law... I mean, we have Frank Sahwit who apparently is going to be let go eventually, even though he committed second-degree murder. I feel like the court system is a lot more flexible with punishments that can be doled out than in real-life North America, where mandatory minimum sentences can result in people being jailed for 10 years for a science experiment <.< capefeather (talk) 00:53, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

Capital punishment... I'm not going to even touch that topic. Anyhow, (possibly executed) it is! - Strabo412 (talk) 21:23, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

New background and logo.[]

Do you think that considering the latest Ace Attorney game, should we change the wiki's logo and background to reflect some sort of a new era the series enters? Sligneris (talk) 13:08, September 29, 2013 (UTC)


I've been seeing the "edits wars" about the ages on here and...I have to say, I find the whole "putting possibly descesed by every true killer's age" thing kinda pointlessly confusing.

I have a number of reasons for this;

1) No-where in the series do they say that all true killers are executed. The only people that we know for sure where sent to death were Dahlia, Terry and Simon. With Dahila, she murdered two people, tried to kill her boyfriend and staged a fake kidnapping to steal a million dollar dimoand and was the spark for someone's suicide. She did enough more then just kill someone. Terry as well, allegdy kidnapped and killed a child, and commited extortion. With Simon they clearly say that the goverment thought he was the Phantom so they gave him a harsh ruling. Every instance of death penalties in the series is for people who did more then just murdered one person. The Judge says that murder is a captial crime but he doesn't say that it's always given the death penalty.

2) Some of them make no sense, and it's just stupid to have something that's 99% likely not to be true on a page, just due to some format that the wiki has. Culprits who committed justified self-defense, or killed to protect somone obviously wouldn't get the death penalty. It's ridicous to even try and argue otherwise, since they techianlly didn't even commit proper murder. No court system, not even the most batshit-insanely harsh ones, would send to death over something like that.

3) It's just plan wrong and confusing. The section says "Age at debute" not "WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS PERSON?!". It's their age when they first appear in game. There should AT LEAST be a seprerate section for this kinda stuff. Like a "current statues" section for Alive, dead, in jail ect. As it is now, it makes no sense.

Please sign your posts. A "capital crime" is defined as "a crime punishable with death"; in my opinion, almost all killers so far have been shown as committing first-degree (or premeditated) murder, with the only possible exceptions being:
  • Frank Sahwit
  • Dee Vasquez
  • Richard Wellington
  • Godot
  • Cammy Meele
  • Lance Amano
  • Yutaka Kazami
  • Ted Tonate
  • Aristotle Means
  • Marlon Rimes
and all of those are second-degree murders, except for Vasquez (self-defence), Godot (saving the life of someone else and self-defence; although the whole spirit channeling thing might be a bit hard for the court to swallow), Lance (self-defence), and Rimes (aside from planning to kill an ocra, no real crime). It's all pretty confusing, and I'm glad I live in a country without all this nonsense (deciding if someone gets the death penalty that is, but premeditated dolphin-killings as well I guess). Something to keep in mind is that there are actually very few instances in the games where a defendant's motive is explained, which is actually a bit disturbing if someone's sentence is actually dependant on that.
Bleh, what a headache. To be honest, your most convincing argument is that it doesn't belong in the age at debut section. I think it might be best to just remove all the "possibly deceased" bits, but I would wait a bit to see what other people think before anyone races off and starts doing so. - Strabo412 (talk) 13:41, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
That's not really the point though. What I meant was that, hardly any legal systems on the planet would give EVERY first degree murderer the death penalty. Murder is said to be a captial crime, but murder being a captial crime only means that it CAN be punished by death if the court thinks they need to go that far. But they hardly ever do for people who only killed one person, and have no real weight behind their crimes that require them to be put to death for the public's safety.
Let's not forget the games legal system is heavily based on the Japanese Bench System. Even though said system was a lot harsher then the average one, with death given out a lot more frequantly, they still gave it sparingly to those found guilty of frist degree murder. Only ones with future weight on them would be put to death. AKA, people who they think have everyday homical tendencies. Most, if not all, AA culprits are people who obviously wouldn't go and randomly murder civilians for no reason. Or of course, people who killed more then one person, like Dahlia and Darke. Wrightfront (talk) 06:49, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
  • Shrugs* Not my area of expertise I'm afraid. I'm just a guy who edits a wiki about a video game series. Really though, it's all just speculation one way or the other, and speculation=bad. - Strabo412 (talk) 12:19, December 17, 2013 (UTC)

New logo and background[]

The series has sure come a long way, and yet, we still have our old background with the mash-up from the official at of just PW trilogy characters, some of which are displayed incorrectly, due to mirroring. I suggest graphical overhaul, with new wki logo and, most importantly, new background. I would highly prefer and recommend using this graphic as wiki background. As well as make the main body of the wiki a little bit transparent, so that it can be actually seen, instead of just having random Angel, Pearl, Maya, Phoenix, Gant, Ini, Edgeworth and Franziska being just kind of... there.

I do not have many suggestions regarding the logo, but I think we should either replace GK2 with GS5 or remove references to specific games completely and just keep "Ace Attorney Wiki".

That is all ^^; Sligneris (talk) 01:43, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

PS. Now I noticed I suggested it before, huh... But, didn't get much of a response....

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I was on a self-imposed spoiler-avoiding exile during your last suggestion. I personally would not be able to do a decent enough job for a new background skin and/or logo, so I would be no help in the actual doing I'm afraid. I do agree that both need an update though. If it's any help, Wikia's Wikia Community Development Team member TheBlueRogue was the one who did the background (as well as adding the slideshow thingie on the front page) and our pretty swell (if slightly taciturn at times (sorry)!) admin Capefeather did the logo. I should also add that the background skin was added a year ago, and the logo three (!!!) years ago.
In terms of ideas, I think the destroyed courtroom might work quite well as a background skin. Either that or a collage of the character pictures used for the front cover of the games, or maybe something with one side being the defence and the other the prosecution. As for the logo, maybe replace the two halves with images of prosecutor and defence badges? Or the objecting silhouettes that are also on the box art? Just thoughts (though I do feel bad suggesting and not really contributing...). - Strabo412 (talk) 02:49, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Alive/Dead status[]

I have a proposition for a replacement for all the "posibly deceased" and "deceased" in the "Age" cathegory. How about we add "Status" cathegory to the character tables? There we would have something like...

  • Dead/Alive (as of <insert game in which character chronologically last appeared/was mentioned in here>)

All the villain characters would be listed as Alive, however the note about they last appearance would make it quite clear that they may not be alive in the later point in time. Sligneris (talk) 21:07, December 28, 2013 (UTC)

Meh, I think we should just remove the whole "possibly deceased" nonsense. It's vague speculation that doesn't really add anything. - Strabo412 (talk) 21:16, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
Still, I really like that concept, myself. Do you think it could be implemented? Sligneris (talk) 02:51, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

All ages listened in "Age" category.[]

I was always under impression that it was rather difficult to keep track of ages for not-main characters and messing with birth year (with some characters having two listed, for whatever reason...) coan sometimes be too troublesome, so I figured it would be good idea for characters to have age from all of their appearances listed in their character tables. Sligneris (talk) 19:27, December 29, 2013 (UTC)

To answer your multiple birth year question see: Timeline#Complications. All ages sounds like it could get messy to me. I suppose it could be done if done right. For instance, on Trucy Wright's page, I've consolidated what was there into "15 (8 in the 2019 part of Turnabout Succession)". - Strabo412 (talk) 17:32, December 31, 2013 (UTC)

Biological information tweaking[]

Sligneris and I have been having a discussion about modifying the biological information section of the character template (see here for details). Basically, we were thinking of removing all the "possibly deceased"s, having a status field that would tell the reader of the character's last known whereabouts, finding a way to list all of a character's age appearances in a non-invasive way (probably via a collapsible table like currently done with aliases), and including some sort of "Age at last appearance". I've had a go at working out what the first two changes would look like, which can be seen in my sandbox. I thought it would be a good idea to try to get other people's thoughts before changing anything. So fire away people! Feedback = good! - Strabo412 (talk) 16:54, January 12, 2014 (UTC)


Does any way of reporting users exist there? I belive at times something like that would prove itself to be quite useful. Sligneris (talk) 18:34, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Original trilogy heading for 3DS compilation[]

Coming to Japan this April (so probably the west at the end of the year - even though they already have the scripts)...

NPChilla1 (talk) 12:30, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

HD Sprites/Mugshots as Character Images[]

I often noticed that while official art is great in terms of having a full-body look on character, it doesn't fulfil its role as character image that well, mostly because of the size/quality dicrepancy between them.

It was just an idea, but I was wondering whether we shouldn't use graphics from HD remake instead? Sligneris (talk) 19:56, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

IMO, the "HD" sprites are a bit... lackluster. But if you could give an example of a character, I might have a better idea of what you're talking about. - Strabo412 (talk) 20:21, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
I meant regular HD mugshot or non-animated, "normal" sprite. Despite having some serious flaws in animation, they still look quite good, if we are too look at them as still images. They are also quite consistent styllistically. Judge's brother already uses that sort of graphic for his character image. Sligneris (talk) 23:39, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
I saw that you did that, and it does look better, however he doesn't have official art anyway, so pretty much anything would be an improvement. I'm not really sure what you're driving at... are you saying that the official art is too good? How does having high quality character art of the character not work as a character image? In fact, most video game wikis I've seen tend to use character art instead of in-game assets for character infoboxes. Also, let's say we did use the "HD" sprites; what about all the game other than the original trilogy? Wouldn't it be a bit jarring to have those games using different types of images than the "HD" sprites? - Strabo412 (talk) 11:32, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
I was saying that official art are majorly scans, so their quality is quite inconsistent...
...Huh, but you might have a point about remaining characters. Hmm. Sligneris (talk) 13:55, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Fan-made names[]

Hello. I would like to change the Gyakuten Kenji 2 charcters' names into the fan-made names as the main name of each charcter. They did it for Mother 3- that's why I'm asking.

I think it makes sense to hold on such an action until the translation patch is finished. capefeather (talk) 03:02, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
Personally, I don't think we should use the fan names. This wiki normally tries to follow official AA material and avoid supposition and speculation, so using unofficial fan names doesn't sit well with me. Besides, if people are searching the wiki for GK2 characters using the fan names, they should already be taken to the respective pages via redirects.
There's also the slim chance that the game may receive a Western release someday, unlike the notorious Mother/Earthbound series (which I believe has only ever had one game reach the US, and even that game not reaching Europe until almost 20 years after its Japanese release). - Strabo412 (talk) 10:01, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Character Articles[]

I've been wondering on making a few changes on character articles, which would have a big impact on the whole character article policy. Call it your stereotypical anime wiki format, but there is a reason they are in use there - because they work well. And I believe these changes would work well here, too.

  1. Image Galleries - Like the name suggests, it would contain most of the screenshosts, animations, and official art. Right now, articles are kinda littered with official art and low-quality graphics from game (like cut sprites itself), so I figured it would be about time for these.
  2. Relationships - Either as a sub-page or as paragraph using tabber function, maybe? Right now character relatonships are really more of just some vague mentions in the character table. This really doesn't properly cover some major relationships, which are quite often important in the events in the series
  3. Character Image - I thought that showing whole body makes character image unnecessarily big, all the while it's too small to actually see it very well. I think we should try to either use mugshots from the characters in question, or cut the official art, so that it shows just face, or at least, their body chest up.

Sligneris (talk) 16:22, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

I don't have anything against most of that, other than it being quite ambitious considering how few competent regular editors there are on this wiki; I can easily see this getting started and then left unfinished since you'd be talking about roughly 240 pages to deal with. As for full official character art, I like it and can't see the point of changing it, but yet again I'm biased considering I uploaded/edited the vast majority of them and am quite defensive about my pretty pictures that I've put a reasonable amount of effort into... - Strabo412 (talk) 19:28, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I am aware of that and I'm certain it will be unfinished for quite some time, but at least, hopefully, we'll be making progress, even if slowly. Don't worry about your work on these, as I said, all the official art will be stocked in Image Galleries. However, I think we should try doing it, especially considering that now that I uploaded HD mugshots, it's kinda unnatural for characters that have official art to have their profiles in worse quality that those that don't. I think best example would be Mimi Miney. While I believe her actual official art (the one with the butterfly) is actually of best quality, it still seems to have a bit of disadvantage in size, due to scaling it down. This is what I meant by saying we should cut these for character profiles. Also, most of characters use fanbook rips instead of clean digital art, which is even more of a disadvantage, even if you do good job on editing it, like you did with Matt Engarde =/. - Sligneris (talk) 12:04, May 17, 2014 (UTC)
PS: Though, now, I am a bit conflicted on the matter. I wanted to use Mimi's HD sprite as her character image and try to picture how it would look, using preview, but I can't make up my mind about one thing: should we keep that half of the body like on the sprite, or try to keep it mugshot-like, so that it fits in with the other mugshots.
On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of the whole "two images on character profile" thing altogether. The way I see it, we should either get rid of it completely and use just one image, or use tabber display for it. Sligneris (talk) 13:24, May 17, 2014 (UTC)
Now, I believe I might have taken it one step ahead on the Judge article, replacing the fanbook scan with a cut in-game sprite. The problem is, while it is step ahead, I'm still not sure whether we're going in the right direction... I'm myself pretty conflicted on that. The art surely does seem superior from the sprite in the concept, but that's about it - the quality worsened, the resolution is too small for a close face shot and the colors seem to be incredibly dulled out... All of it because its an old scan ^^; Like I pointed out in the edit summary, most convenient would be digital art, like the kind of what we got for Dual Destinies main characters, such as Phoenix, Edgeworth, Athena and Blackquill or at least a high quality scan, the kind of which we got a lot of from Dual Destinies as well (still low on the resolution though)
Any ideas on what should we do in a situation like this? Not to mention we have many problems like this to come, since we can not use HD sprites on characters who did not really appear in the trilogy... - Sligneris (talk) 21:09, May 18, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for not replying for a while. To be honest, I'm still not convinced by your plan for character infobox images. While I do like the idea of just using mugshot-style images, which makes it almost look like a police file (which I think is sort of what we were trying to go for), it would be best if it were consistent across the wiki. The problem is, as you say, what are you going to do about the non-trilogy games? While you could probably get away with using the court record profile images in DD for the characters that appear in that game, I have no idea what you're planning to do about AJ, AAI, or GK2. If there isn't a good way to go about it, it might not be worthwhile doing. I dunno. I should add that one of the things I like about using full-body art is that it kind of gives you an idea of what that character is like via their body language and facial expression, which is something you don't really get with mugshots for the latter and obviously don't get at all for the former. A thought I had was that if you were able to think of a good way to do mugshots for all characters, perhaps they could be the default images, with full-body art in a tab?
As for your ideas regarding relationships and galleries, I'm starting to think that the latter is definitely worthwhile looking into. The same goes for relationship pages, as there are some very interesting relationships between characters that don't really get talked about much on the wiki. However, I should add that I personally have no intention of implementing either of them until we either get some input from other editors. Or I finish updating the character pages. Whichever comes first. The other problem is that relationship pages could degrade into articles about shipping, which I personally have little patience for. - Strabo412 (talk) 18:05, May 19, 2014 (UTC)
I was trying to going around that on characters such as Candice Arme, who had little to no character art and Kristoph Gavin, who does have character art, but still of lower resolution than main Dual Destinies characters. I'm not really satisfied with the "upscaled mugshot" solution, but... I guess it works...? On the other hand, I think Kristoph looks great, so if we have more art of this quality, we'll manage. I know we lose some of the body language, but most of the time, facial expression isn't really as notable with the full body art.
I tried out the image galleries and i believe there should be actually two: "Image gallery" and "Sprite gallery". I already made a basic image gallery for Phoenix, which includes two pieces of his official art from the first game, game screenshot, fanbook scene and some concept art. Do you think something like this would work? - Sligneris (talk) 10:04, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
Looks alright to me. - Strabo412 (talk) 10:53, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Character Images[]

Dahlia Hawthorne[]

I'm trying to implement the new character images, and now, I kinda do have kind of a dilemma. Right now I have two potential character images for Dahlia Hawthorne and I don't really know which one I should go with:

1 <file removed> 2 Dahlia Hawthorne Portrait 2.png

Also, I did think of removing the umbrella, but then I realized the result would be Dahlia holding some kind of unidentified white stick... Any suggestions?

Oh, and also, should I go around implementing the image galleries already? - Sligneris (talk) 13:54, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

For Dahlia, I'm going to go for image 2, as the colours in it are closer to in-game; I don't think it matters too much that the brolly is there. It might be a tad too early for the galleries though, especially since you're already in the middle of another serious renovation; don't want you over-stretching yourself... - Strabo412 (talk) 17:19, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Dee Vasquez[]

Might very well make a topic out of it, cause I suspect I'll be having a lot of a alternatives like these. Another one would be Dee Vasquez's character image:

1 <file removed> 2 Dee Vasquez Portrait 2.png

The first one is her post-breakdown stance, which is coincidentally her mugshot in the game as well. The second is her "smug" sprite. Actually, I, for one, would go with the second one, as it shows more of her personality, I think. - Sligneris (talk) 20:18, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd say the second one too. However, maybe we should use either Forum:Help desk or Forum:Watercooler in the future for choosing between two images. - Strabo412 (talk) 20:29, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Image display troubles[]

More often than not, I seem to have trouble with the wiki. In majority of the articles, the images do not display correctly, leaving empty space in their place. I should speak about it here, as it's like that in most wikias, actually, but maybe someone here will know what's going on? - Sligneris (talk) 17:35, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

"Due to"[]

Ok, I haven't contributed to this wiki at all, so I can't really complain, but I happened to read many pages. I don't want to start a huge war either. Take this as a tip.

"Wright ended up underestimating Klavier Gavin due to the gap in experience"...

My problem with the wiki, put bluntly, is how smart people try to sound. Every page has the phrase "due to" about 10 times. Not the best way to keep one's interest. I've written this elsewhere on wikia before, but this is an important expression issue. This wiki isn't called "The Cardiology and Nuclear Physics wiki". Keep it simple!

LinuxKirby (talk) 18:18, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Using "due to" is considered "sounding smart"?

Kazura-hilarious(d).gif - Lots of love Strabo412 (talk) 18:38, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Maybe that was slightly mean. However, using "because of" over and over is hardly an improvement, and there are only so many synonyms. If you feel it is being repeated constantly on a page, you're welcome to change a few of those "due to"s that you revile so much into a couple of "because of"s. Go ahead. Edit away my friend. Stuff gets done on wikis by people doing stuff, not by whining about how the verbosity of this online electronic encyclopaedia is acting as anathema to your good self. - Strabo412 (talk) 18:49, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
I am well aware of how wikis are done, and I do not mean any offence to anyone. I pointed an issue out, and I might as well do my part in fixing it, should I find enough time. I'm not forcing "because of". You can use "as", "since", "for" etc in whatever form is suitable. "Due to" is OK, but a limit is necessary. Do you oftenly hear people say "I won't buy milk due to my lack of resources due to me being broke"? That's what I mean. -LinuxKirby (talk) 20:59, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
I say that all the time. Is that not normal? :P
I apologise for my rudeness. When you've poured as much of your time into editing as I have, you tend to get a little defensive sometimes. - Strabo412 (talk) 21:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
It's okay, I got a bit jumpy, too. Let's move past this, and try to do whatever is best for the wiki. -LinuxKirby (talk) 17:48, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

I find that projects like this often end up repeating certain phrases over and over again. Maybe the same few people are doing it, or maybe people just kind of adopt it as unspoken convention. Elsewhere, there was a thing where people kept writing "X is the crux of this set" and it even kind of became a meme. capefeather (talk) 23:59, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

To be honest, the extensive "due to"s are probably my fault. - Strabo412 (talk) 21:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Um...this WIKI's image...[]

Sorry, but...this wiki honestly has some of the WORST attitudes among it's "usual residents" I've seen on any wiki.

No one seems to like each other, there's arguments all over the place, and the attitudes and just speech style comes of as very unwelcoming.

Not mentioning anyone in particualr, but the overall image of the wiki seems very unwelcoming and rather argumentitive.

Just saying. 19:58, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

I'm quite enjoying actually having regular editors who actually do stuff! It's fun! Considering how few regular editors of this wiki there have been since 2009, I don't think a couple of petty arguments are going to hurt our numbers particularly... At least I'd hope not. - Strabo412 (talk) 21:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Actually, no, I take it back. I'm beginning to miss those simpler times... - Strabo412 (talk) 22:58, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree there's been a lot of heat lately. Though, I do see a bit of myself in some of the people who are arguing. There honestly isn't a substitute for experience, both in wiki editing and on the internet as a whole, which can make someone mellow out and really accept certain unavoidable facts. Namely, different people will have different opinions, experiences, and visions for a wiki project. Also, people will often do really stupid things like misremember critical details about a game that's about attention to detail. capefeather (talk) 00:01, July 1, 2014 (UTC)

No but seriously, the worst problem is how people on here treat mistakes/typos. Instead of a simple "fixed typos" note, instead you get people acting like they're the Simon Cowell of wikis, and putting crap like: "WHY DID YOU PUT ___?". Sorry, but it comes off as stuck-up. If you're running a wiki, try and act NICER to people. Seriously. We're freaking humans, not robots. Mistakes happen, don't act like ***holes about it. 18:52, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

"Do NOT add information AFTER the stub. Put it BEFORE. It's not brain surgery."

"I hate having to clean up after IPs."

Yeah. A REAAAAL good image you're putting out lads & lasses. [SARCASM ALERT]. 21:49, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

And what image are you presenting for yourself? Like anyone wants to listen to you who, instead of trying to be polite about it, instead chooses to insult. Ever heard of "being the better person"? Just saying...if you have a problem with how we act, then don't present yourself that way. CrashBash (talk) 22:02, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
Oh no. Not again. Please stop... Please? - Strabo412 (talk) 22:11, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
OK, OK, sorry...just got a little annoyed. Sorry, I can't help it, I get annoyed at "obvious" mistakes sometimes. CrashBash (talk) 22:12, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
There's not really any reason to voice that annoyance in the edit summery though is there? I mean, does doing that achieve anything other than venting and making the other (often well-meaning) person feel bad? - Strabo412 (talk) 22:19, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
This wiki's main problem, to just put my last two cents here, is that it just has a general stuffy air to it. Okay, I was too quick to shout at CrashBash, and I'm sorry. (And I made that last edit before noticing Strabo's pleas, just to add...). I just find that this wiki can be a tad..."unfriendly". I did snap at people though, and I'm sorry. 22:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
That's OK. Feel free to remove my comments from your talk page if you want to. But, that was kinda what I was trying to say...I know you're annoyed at the way we act, but was acting exactly like us really going to achieve anything? I'd imagine, personally, it would have made it worse...but that's just me. CrashBash (talk) 22:29, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Wordmark topic 2014[]

I replaced the wordmark that was previously used with Sligneris's wordmark. That said, I kind of wonder if there could be "more" to the wordmark than just the logo. I finally got around to putting some ideas in action, but I wanted to know what people think about this. That's all for now. capefeather (talk) 03:59, July 4, 2014 (UTC)

Oh? I didn't expect it to be uploaded already, hahah. I was just showing this to Strabo.
It would be fine if it were just logo, actually, but the problem with this is the wordmark's width - it is set permanently to 250x65 and even while a smaller one can be uploaded, it will not change the positioning of the navigation - which as a result looks pretty off. Because of that, right now there are 2 empty spaces - I guess we'll just have to fill these with something.
I'll try making some different designs of the "background" of the logo - preferrably something that will stay relevant to the series without the need to update. However, if we do go for something that can get outdated, we could always make a new wordmark background and later just put the current logo on it. - Sligneris (talk) 09:46, July 4, 2014 (UTC)
If this topic is still open, I would like to share my own wordmark. It's kinda same, but with a black outline of Wright objecting in the background. -- Fubuki風吹 talk 17:01, 09.23.2014
Quite frankly, that image of Nick is terrifying. Personally, I feel that the more generic version we have at the moment is better, since the series isn't really just about Phoenix Wright anymore. - Strabo412 (talk) 18:33, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

Teh Meme Wiki could use your help![]

Users of the Ace Attorney wiki, I am a contributor to [Meme Wiki] and the wiki could really use your help. Most of you recognize me as an active and helpful contributor to this wiki and I'm pretty sure we can make Teh Meme wiki a better wiki too. I know it won't be as good as existing meme wikis such as Know Your Meme, but the least we can do is make it more successful. Please help improve Teh Meme Wiki as much as possible. (Note: Being a meme wiki, the wiki contains some pages with inappropriate and offensive content, so viewer discretion is advised). 03:09, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, not interested. Besides, this talk page is meant for discussing general improvements for the wiki, not advertising. - Strabo412 (talk) 19:45, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Layton vs. Wright[]

Should we start removing the "released" templates from Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney pages now, or should we leave it for another month? - Strabo412 (talk) 21:28, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

GK2 quotes[]

Is there any reason why the quotes from the fan translaterated Gyakuten Kenji 2 are not attributed anymore? I'm pretty sure I've seen the quote template having a tooltip at the end. Or has there been a discussion over this that I am not aware of? -- sqm 23:43, 02.05.2015

Is there any real reason to do so? Using the {{JReleased|u}} template already notes that most of the information on the page comes from unofficial translations. - Strabo412 (talk) 19:30, February 9, 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, now that I read the template, no there doesn't seem to be a need for that. Thanks, -- sqm 08:19, 02.10.2015

Bringing up the GK2 names again[]

I really think we should use the fan translated names since this is an English Wiki and thus most people will probably only play the English fan translation, and due to that they are more familiar with the English names. Ofc somewhere "These names aren't official" should be added. RandomNickname (talk) 12:57, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Please read the reasoning for the current policy here and here. - Strabo412 (talk) 13:06, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! RandomNickname (talk) 15:23, February 10, 2015 (UTC)


Original discussion at Template talk:Rivals#Deletion

I'm against the deletion of this template. It's well-made and is a nice visual representation of the Rivals category (although having both of them could be seen as redundant I guess). If nothing else, perhaps we can use this as an opportunity to discuss the potential implementation of more navigation boxes? The user who tagged this template for deletion (I'm guessing because it was implemented without discussion by a new user) had actually previously called for more navigation templates, although I guess there wasn't much of a response back then. Maybe now is the time to properly consider it? - Strabo412 (talk) 21:40, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for premature actions, I was trying to make a little convenience, did't saw anywhere requirement to discuss such little box. Since this template was confirmed to be a legal evidence, would it be a good thing to put it back? I'm thinking to make full and sorted list of characters in similar manner. (I'm also planning in future to play and record Professor Layton vs. Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney to rip most of sprites and transcrpt every text.) User:Suminoma 12:52, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
Personally, I was just going to leave them be, as I like the way the template looks and functions (I was even starting to think of other categories it could be modified for). Although wikis are, of course, a place anyone can edit, it can sometimes be a good idea to run such relatively major additions by the existing community, especially if you're a new user. More as a courtesy than anything else, really (i.e., to avoid ruffling any feathers).
However, I personally like the template, I think it should be used, and I'd like more of them. But that's just my opinion. Concerning PLvsPW sprites, they're really more 3D models than sprites, which I'm given to believe makes ripping them far more tricky. I should also add that you should definitely not try to do too many major projects at once. This is especially true for transcripts, which always take far more time than you think. - Strabo412 (talk) 22:14, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
@Strabo Just as you say, I removed it because there was no prior discussion (it has nothing to do with the new user thing though). I tried asking cape back then about a few other things, which he didn't seem interested in, and supposedly chose to ignore the messages. So, I just assumed this template might also not be needed for the wiki (at least for now anyway), since cape wasn't particularly interested in more navboxes. Either way, I still think we should wait for his response since he is the only active admin we have currently.
@Suminoma No, you don't have to apologise. I guess I should've left a message concerning this template. Apologies. As for the template, it's well made; except a few browser-related and deprecation issues. Though another thing that concerns me is that you've used mugshots along with links. For small templates such as these, it's fine. But for larger templates (like the one currently in your sandbox), it will be a total wreck. It will affect page loading time greatly because of all those unnecessary files. But to maintain consistency we'd either have to do all mugshots or no mugshots. I'd personally stress on the latter.
Also, shouldn't this be done over at Talk:Ace Attorney Wiki for a more centralized, easy-to-follow discussion? -- sqm 12:25, 02.25.2015
I think admin need to move all of this to Talk:Ace Attorney Wiki now, since it's not more related to one template. Also, I can say, that for big pages most wikis just move entire sections to their own page, like creating separate Miles Edgeworth/Biography, or something like that to reduce page size. I'll think about making templates less heavy, but anyway, I'll now do everything under my profile until admin contacts me. Also, what kind of "issues"? User:Suminoma 13:13, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not really a fan of that idea honestly; it's just unnecessary piling of articles. Whereas on the other side, why do we even require mugshots for those navboxes? They don't belong to the article anyway. Reducing page size is not really a solution as opposed to removing mugshots, seriously. The main issue with your template is that you are using deprecated tags (like center and font). Also, there's nesting and repition of code. You could just "double transclude" to reduce that code to a great extent, especially for larger navboxes. -- sqm 14:08, 02.25.2015
Now I also have "I-think-I-know-what-you-want" version. (Really sorry for literally polluting Recent Changes. Now will be working in notepad first.)User:Suminoma 14:38, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

(reset indent) Personally, I feel wikipedia:template:navbox is what this wiki should use due to its complex yet simple nature, seeing how this wiki likes to keep things "basic". And it supports different color schemes like most of the new-version infoboxes! -- sqm 16:35, 02.25.2015

Sorry for not getting to this for a while. I'm just never sure of what the plan is exactly whenever navboxes are brought up. The way it was originally brought up two years ago made it seem like there weren't any navboxes at all, though I see now that it was supposed to be a discussion about having more navboxes. Even then, how many navboxes are we talking? What are we using them for beyond the ones we have currently? Are our current navbox templates inadequate for what we want? If the plans for navboxes are ambitious enough that a template like Wikipedia's Navbox is warranted, then we can go ask to have Lua scripting enabled for this wiki (unless it's enabled already and I just never realized). It could make what Suminoma's trying to do easier. capefeather (talk) 23:36, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Also because it was brought up: I didn't respond to Fubuki's messages about the projects that he/she had, and I'm sorry for that. It wasn't something I'd ever expected to come up; my original reason for adopting this wiki was so that there was someone who could delete things. I'm still not sure what to make of the proposals because, again, honestly I'm not sure of what the goal is exactly. The main page may be bland but it does what it's supposed to do and I don't see a high priority in fanciness for its own sake. There's always a possibility to improve how the content is organized; it's just that some of it is intended to make the wiki more visible to Google as an Ace Attorney site. I didn't prioritize it but I should have at least tried to address it earlier. capefeather (talk) 23:56, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Suminoma's sandbox pretty much shows the navboxes that could be added for the game articles. We don't have a set limit to how many navboxes are required. Possible navbox ideas: police departmemt, prosecutors, defense attorneys and whatnot. I've never actually seen any other navbox than the "all episodes" one on this wiki. Is there a list where I can find such navboxes? wikipedia:Wikipedia:Navigation boxes#Advantages pretty much states the advantages. And, if we ever come to the conclusion to have more navboxes, I really like the Lua idea (it's enabled by default now iirc).
My reason for proposing the projects was to give this wiki a "newer" look, since it looked far too plain, which is why I proposed the character template change too. Honestly, that change felt like this wiki was ready to accept the fancy changes that I was about to ask. From my own personal experience and a few others, a nice theme is a driving force behind visitors turning into readers turning into editors. And the main page should be the most visually appealing page for that. I still stand on the point that it is far too bland; with a lot of whitespace and to be frank, horrible at places. And I don't even think SEO should be a priority anymore. 1.5k+ articles with lots of great content; the wiki is quite exposed to Google and other search engines. My "goal" was to make content fancier to attract contributors. But if it's not alright with you, I'm just as fine. -- sqm 10:17, 03.11.2015
I have no issue with the navboxes themselves. I don't think that navboxes are such a big deal that they need someone's blessing to be made. My questions simply concern how they'll be made. I asked a lot of questions and perhaps that obfuscated the importance of the last one: Is what we have now enough for the navboxes that are planned? Suminoma's "light" versions of the planned character templates use the existing navbox templates and that seems adequate for what is planned, assuming we're not using mugshots and such (not sure what anyone else's opinions on this are). Wikipedia's templates are only slightly different visually, with V/T/E links being the most significant difference. capefeather (talk) 23:12, March 11, 2015 (UTC)
I'm fine with the current navbox template, though I prefer the navbox from wikipedia over it, due to the fact that it's highly customisable to accomodate various styles, lists and images. Also, Lua would be a nice idea to redesign the current navbox, if we don't go with the wikipedia one. -- sqm 23:56, 03.11.2015

Editing Questions[]

This is just a topic to ask questions about how to edit pages. Please answer questions by writing your answer in the approperite section with the same number as the question you are asking.[]


  1. How do you add quote boxxes to pages? Heathcliff73 (talk) 20:19, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
With Template:Quote. - Strabo412 (talk) 20:26, April 30, 2015 (UTC)


I haven't been active on here for a while (sorry ><) and just wanted to say upon revisiting that I'm super impressed at how good this main page looks now. You guys rock!! Diagnosed as Sound 14:46, September 15, 2015 (UTC)

Re-adding the gaming footer[]

Hello, Wikians! I am AStranger195. As you can (or cannot) see, Wikia Staff member Raylan removed the official Wikia Gaming Footer on all main pages transcluding it. Therefore, the Community Central users created a new community-maintained footer for everyone! If you like, you can add it by typing {{w:Community gaming footer}} for the full template or {{w:Community gaming footer/list}} if you only want the list.

Note: This is a message which will be manually copy-pasted on main pages of wikias listed on w:Template:Wikia Gaming Footer/List of Wikis. Feel free to remove this message.

{{SUBST:User:AStranger195/sig}} 11:15, October 8, 2015 (UTC)


Hey, so I have been curious about this and searching hasn't helped. Forgive me if it's obvious and I'm just overlooking it, but does anyone know what font is used in the Ace Attorney logo? Or one similar to it? --Monoking (talk) 13:31, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

It's Georgia Bold: Ace Attorney
The line-heights vary for each letter in the logo, though. 不吉 11:45, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

DGS2 announced[]

Only just announced, no release date or details.Is it worth doing an article for it yet, considering nothing is known? NPChilla1 (talk) 13:58, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

Ages of the characters[]

There's a little something I figured I should point out regarding ages of various characters. That being the way the game handles the ages that are listed in the character profiles. From what I can tell, the mods wiki seem to be under the impression that the ages are directly erroneous, however there are several moments in the games that make it seem as though this was supposed to be intentionally the case.

One such moment is in Rise From the Ashes. When Ema introduces herself, she says specifically when asked how young she is that she'll "be 16 this year". Which suggests that Ema's age is actually 15 at that current time and not 16 as it is in her profile. I could swear there are other examples of such things occuring as well, although none are really springing to mind right now. But it seems to me as though the ages listed in the profiles being "inconsistant" is actually purposeful, and indeed something that was intended.

I feel as though this actually deserves being mentioned somewhere, or at least that there should be some consideration over how to more accurately document the ages. From what I can tell, the ages for the characters are supposed to be the age they'll be by the time the current year ends, and it seems as though this was done on purpose.

Yeah, this is basically what the wiki is going by. capefeather (talk) 01:21, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

Appearances on Character Articles[]

I had an idea for what to add to articles about characters. It's something I see a lot on many other fandoms on this website, but not here. Most character articles have a section titled "Appearance". It usually describes a character's eye color, hair color/style, height, build, skin tone, clothing, etc.

Obviously, Ace Attorney has dozens or even a hundred characters that would need their articles edited, so it would take a long time to do. If I could do it on my own, I would, but a project like that would take several months to complete. Unless, of course, I had help.

If everyone here pitched in and edited just a few articles, things would get done so much quicker. If you are down to help me out, just go ahead and get to work. I'll edit myself, starting with the major characters, and hopefully everyone else can see this article and jump on in soon. Thanks so much!

Unknownvariable211 (talk) 02:19, September 26, 2020 (UTC)unknownvariable211

"About Ace Attorney" section[]

The aforementioned section on the main page is all using unlocalized info regarding DGS: the sentence about it should be changed to "The Great Ace Attorney (Dai Gyakuten Saiban in Japan) starring Ryunosuke Naruhodo (Ryūnosuke Naruhodou in Japan) and the Great Detective Herlock Sholmes." (or something along those lines)

Also -- it's missing information about the most recent trilogy port (notably the fact that it's now on Xbox, PS4 and Switch). - Lynnux (talk) 21:09, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Fixed the template. Lynnux (talk)