Is it possible that her surname will also be "Blackquill" since her Japanese last name was also "Yuugami?" 220.133.239.70 11:33, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, but what's your point? It would be awkward to rename the article before we get her full name. capefeather (talk) 13:12, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
It's pointless to call her Kaguya Blackquill so we'll just have to wait for the english release to name her properly.Tiddlypops (talk) 16:08, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
Due to the meaning of her name, (Kaguya is the Japanese nickname for the satellite "SELENE"), her full name should be "Selena Blackquill".ChrAplab (talk) 11:34, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
I think it suits her- Simon and Selena Blackquill. But we'll just have to wait and see for the English. Tiddlypops (talk) 20:53, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
Selena would be fitting, I hope someone on the Capcom America development team can be able to think this up. If not, I hope there's still a way to send this idea over to the team anyways 59.104.16.186 10:28, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
Should we have Metis be considered Aura's love interest? Considering what the game implies, after all. BuddyFaith (talk) 06:15, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
That is yaoi. That is not allowed on this wiki. Aura respected Metis as a friend.黙りなァ！ 08:35, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
However, the game does imply that Aura felt something more than just close friends for Metis. It is even said this:
"Shut up, Simon! You know exactly how I felt about her! Her respect as a co-worker wasn't all that I wanted!"
Though I have no idea what to put down...Tiddlypops (talk) 08:44, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
- That could mean anything. It doesn't confirm, or even hint at, a love interest. CrashBash (talk) 18:24, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough.Tiddlypops (talk) 18:33, November 10, 2013 (UTC)
- But, you're forgetting about the part after that. The Judge and Phoenix's reactions add heavily to subtext:
- Judge: "Hmm...Then what did you want from her?"
- Phoenix: "(Did you really just go there, Your Honor?!)"
- It's so close to being canon that we might as well treat it as canon. I can't think of anything that this conversation could mean appart from Aura having a sexual attraction towards Metis. Wrightfront (talk) 07:01, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
- I agree. The game does imply it, so it's good that it's still added in the notes section. Tiddlypops (talk) 08:29, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
- Doesn't change the fact that it'sa straight out mention to the fact that she likely has a sexual attraction to Metis. We could compamise and swap out "cofirmed" with "mentioned by in-universe characters". But I think it still merits mention, seeing as how it IS fact about her. Wrightfront (talk) 11:40, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
- We can assume until we're blue in the face, but they're still just "assumptions". "Likely" is not the same as "definitely". Isn't that why the whole thing about Dee Vasquez and Manuel was originally removed? It was meer assumption? CrashBash (talk) 17:24, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
- Wait when did she get gay all of a sudden?! People Robin had more spectulated gayness than this chick. And even so if we did that than Adrian would be gay now!Franzyfan1998 (talk) 23:29, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
- Person above, please put your signature. Robin's "gayness" isn't ever spoken about by characters themselves. Aura's sexuality is the only one that's ever mentioned by in-universe characters. It's not "assumption" that the characters bring up Aura's homosexaulity, it's a fact. It's "assumption" that it's true, and that she really is gay. But it's a FACT that this fact is brought up in game itself, in a satire kind of way.
- I don't like yaoi and gay speculation at all, but there comes a line where you have to allow it onto the sight if it's mentioned in game. Even if it's not mentioned OUTRIGHT, the fact that characters bring up her sexuality is a trivia that's worth noting down about this character. There's such a thing as censoring yaoi TOO much. There's MUCH worse speculations on this site, that require huge leaps such as "the writers could have implied this" or "the writers most likely were trying to say that". I don't see how mentioning that it's 99% likely that the writers had Phoenix bring her sexulaity into mind is worse then a lot of things I've seen on this site. Just because it's about a sexual relationship and is techinally yaoi, that shouldn't give it any more special treatment (or even the oppoite of special) then any other speculations that are plastered over this site. Wrightfront (talk) 21:28, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry about earlier but hey I don't remember gayness in this game. And the point about Robin was to show you how silly this is becoming. (Besides Maryiam did state that the Whole "Either Robin or Hugh will confess their loves). In conclusion to the Robin analogy I was simply showing that that was proabably going to get more questions that Aura. And also WHEN DID THEY MENTION THIS!? SHOW US PROOF!Franzyfan1998 (talk) 23:29, November 12, 2013 (UTC)
- Please calm down here slightly...This isn't a trial but, I gave out the quotes that back up the reason for the trivia that is on the page right now. I would screenshot the game sections but, that would be all be impossible for me to do considering I don't have a 3DS capture device.
- I believe that on a first playthrough of the section mentioned above, the more story inclined player would likely miss the meaning of the lines, but on another playthrough, the lines are unmistakeable. Wrightfront (talk) 11:49, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
- Look as much as I vote yes for Gayness I can't exactlyy accept that as proof. That's just an interpretation of diaolgue. For all we know she could mean I want her to be my Godmother!" It never specified either way so I'm guessing that we need more proof. SorryFranzyfan1998 (talk) 20:31, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
The wording of the article is weird .
"Aura is the first and only Ace Attorney character whose sexual preference towards the same sex has mentioned/speculated by characters in-game."
That's not true. In the very first game Phoenix can speculate that Grossberg and White are lovers, and I'm pretty sure Maya joked at one point that Gumshoe had 'realised his feelings' towards Phoenix.
"It's heavily implied she had feelings towards Metis" would be more appropriate.188.238.185.125 17:07, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you wiki person you make a valid point. But still we can inteprete that line to mean practically anythingFranzyfan1998 (talk) 19:50, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
Alright now this is fine and good now...but I played through the case again and I don't see anywhere it is mentioned that Apollo may have had the same feelings for Clay, I suggest that should be striked from the record unless we have some proof of that.
Well, she does also say that she wanted more than Metis' respect as a colleague later in the case. --Bettafishrule2579 (talk) 06:43, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
And to further back up Bettafishrule2579, here's EXACTLY what Apollo Justice said to Aura Blackquill in Turnabout for Tomorrow, "Just as you lost someone close to you, I lost someone close to me, too." How exactly does THAT imply that Apollo is a homosexual? Clay Terran was his childhood friend, after all. We can speculate Apollo is homosexual because of that quote all we want, but until we see some proof... that speculation has no water. Whirl Roller (talk) 21:31, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
This talk page[]
This talk page. See this talk page here? "Gayness" (apparently a real word, who knew)? "Yaoi"? (insert The Princess Bride quote here). *Sigh* I've tried to rephrase it on the page so that's it's vague and open to interpretation, but if someone has a better way of doing that, please do. The full quote would also be great if someone could oblige. - Strabo412 (talk) 20:38, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
Believe it or not, my friend, the exact quote from Apollo's own mouth is exactly as described. Do I have to show proof? Yes? Okay, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9unMpCcQpA&list=SPhq7N9JLM_oPA2xAReM3rDEWGfwyG3Cnl. Watch this video, Strabo, and go to the 1:12 mark. Whirl Roller (talk) 20:03, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
We're not even talking about Apollo's sexualtiy here. It's about Aura. 2.26.120.145 01:06, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, well I was just confused. Whirl Roller (talk) 06:10, December 16, 2013 (UTC)
- Although I completely agree that the Apollo and Clay | Aura and Metis thing holds no to little water (I believe Apollo and Clay holds NO water at all and Aura and Metis makes some sense but is best left unambiguous), I must point out that the choice in what's speculation and what's not IS very vague on this wiki. I've seen speculation used a lot, a key example being the Jake Marshell page where it speculates about Jake and Angel's possible romantic past based on vague dialouge.
- If you're gonna block out romantic speculation, you can't pick and choose...or for that matter, you can't just not accept homosexual romantic speculation, but accept other types. That's hypocritical.
- Just my two cents. 2.26.110.17 04:58, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
I think that speculation that originates from the story is fair game for the most part. I know that it's hard to pin down exactly what this means, but there's a difference between someone speculating out of thin air based on indirect evidence, and someone directly interpreting a line that makes a direct implication. A lot of information in the games is hearsay and speculation by in-game characters, which we just take to be true because the writers probably intended for it all to be true. Really, nothing's going to be 100% true, and our strongest justification for putting any in-game content in this wiki is that the games say that it's true or probably true.
I know that people are just trying to prevent baseless speculation, but I really think we need to take another look at why yaoi/yuri is frowned upon, especially as encyclopedic content. The issue is not the sexual orientation, but rather, homosexual pairings just happen to be baseless romantic pairings made by overly zealous fans the vast majority of the time. When baseless heterosexual pairings are made, it's only natural that their homosexual counterparts are made as well. I think that the way we treat Aura+Metis should be the same as the way we might treat Jake+Angel because the implication of the pairing is made in very similar ways. I mean, obviously there are major differences, e.g. Aura+Metis is apparently one-sided while Jake+Angel is not, but the general idea is the same as far as verifiability goes. (On a slightly related note, I realized today that Phoenix's ending monologue in Rise from the Ashes is almost exactly the same as the opening monologue in Turnabout for Tomorrow...)
capefeather (talk) 21:42, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
Is Aura a sociopath?[]
The question was raised in a very heated chatroom argument this morning. Does Aura Blackquill's personality line up with the traits of a sociopath?
The suggestion was based on a few traits that it was suggested Aura possessed:
- That she displays entirely no remorse for any of her actions (because sociopaths cannot feel guilt)
- That she throws the hostage trial entirely to terrorise Athena and it had nothing to do with Simon (because sociopaths derive satisfaction from torture)
- That her reference to "wanting something" from Metis is entirely literal and was not an allusion to unrequited love (because sociopaths cannot form genuine human connections)
(The questioner also suggested that she should have been executed, but that is clearly another subject entirely, especially since execution is a detail rarely brought up after the sentencing of culprits.)
Personally I think it's difficult to genuinely assign a supporting video game character such a profile - fictional characters are always more simplified than a real person, and especially in video games, and especially when not the protagonist. Diagnosing a sociopath depends entirely on ignoring any evidence given by the character themselves, because sociopaths have the ability to pass lie detector tests, and this naturally would be difficult when working with a story format like Ace Attorney in which supporting characters are often the only sources of their own history.
There is also the factor where authors can, if they have fumbled enough, accidentally create sociopaths when trying to simply create characters with an abrasive nature. It is entirely possible that Aura is in no way actually intended to be a sociopath, but was accidentally written as one due to a misunderstanding.
Still, I'm curious as to your thoughts. DoubleCross (talk) 09:39, August 9, 2016 (UTC)
- Phoenix was the one who suggested the retrial, and Aura only agreed because of the chance to save Simon. If she was a sociopath, she wouldn't have cared about Simon in the first place. Also, whether she would have actually hurt Trucy and the other hostages is debatable. Bluebully (talk) 13:17, August 9, 2016 (UTC)