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OK. I know I put up a cleanup tag a long time ago, so I might as well make known a few complaints I have. The main one is getting down what exactly a breakdown is. I mean, we have the super-dramatic breakdowns of criminals, but a few people have added less dramatic animations of other people. capefeather 22:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

This page has annoyed me for a while. I think that a good chunk of the entries on the page should be classified as "damage" animations instead of "breakdown" animations. Damage would be when the character is shocked (or something similar) and happens multiple times. Whereas breakdown should be thought of as like a mental breakdown and only happens once. I'll add "one-off" to the description, muck about a bit, and see what happens... Strabo412 22:32, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
Damn. This is going to be harder than I thought. Although most of the villains have a specific one-off breakdown animation (some even having two......I'm looking at you Damon Gant) there are a couple that have what I would define as a "breakdown animation", but use it more than once (such as Luke Atmey....bah). Strabo412 00:24, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
Maybe one per chapter counts as a breakdown? capefeather 23:29, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
Was almost finished when I got the blue screen of death! Curses! But I've changed the page to what I think is an improvement that's more in line with the style of the wiki. At some point I'll put some more stuff in the gallery section... Strabo412 00:26, March 15, 2010 (UTC)


Just mentioning that I undid an earlier revision by an unregistered user. The older version made more sense, was more informative and was less ambiguous.

Thought I'd mention it seeing as I am myself an unregistered user.. 94.169.146.144 22:52, July 25, 2010 (UTC)

More breakdowns. Edit

Sorry to charge in like this, but there's some "one-off" animations I've been noticing that could be considered breakdowns. Like Wright when he hears about Maya by de Killer, and Kay in Turnabout Reminiscence. What do you think?
Knowall - December 23, 2010 14:56

Well, young Kay is already in there. As for Wright, I'm not sure what you mean. If you meant him with his head in his hands, was that only used in Farewell, My Turnabout? Is it never used in any other case? If it is only in Farewell then I think it would count. Strabo412 17:05, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

I double checked (again), he does it too in Bridge to the Turnabout, that's why I called it "recurring", but he rarely does that expression. Also, another question... That time when the Judge is cornered and he shouts "Noooo!" in Rise from the Ashes can be considered a breakdown? Ya' know, because he was acting so defensive about Gant, and he was cornered...
Knowall - January 12, 2011 23:23

Until you mentioned it, I hadn't noticed that the Nick head-on-desk sprite was so rare, but it makes sense that he only did it on the two occasions that things really went to hell. Or, alternatively, the two occasions that Maya's life was in danger. Anyways, I disagree about the judge, since it's not really a unique (or even a rare) animation. In fact, apart from Grossberg, I think the judge has the fewest number of sprites. I mean there's normal, nod, head shake, shocked and serious. Poor, poor judge. So short-changed. At least AAI: ME gave him some new ones... Strabo412 03:14, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, the Judge is, sadly, too underrated. Let's wait and see if there will be more of him in the next games... Oh, and thanks for the help.
Knowall - January 13, 2011 11:33

No problem, although I feel "help" is perhaps too strong of a word... :P Strabo412 14:14, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

A bit late, but I wan't to add that Phoenix's breakdown appears in The Stolen Turnabout (in the second or third part) and in Recipe for a Turnabout (performed by Tigre at the beginning). --186.19.230.47 21:16, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Gyakuten Kenji 2 ones are starting to go up on YT Edit

GK2 ones have already began coming in, check court-records (in case sharing the link here is too spoilerific).98.70.33.145 22:00, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

Naito's breakdown Edit

So...Naito's breakdown. Do you believe he is throwing one gun multiple times which caused it to dislodge something in the ceiling, making the objects fall? Or do you think he throws seven guns that become references to previous cases when they fall down. I personally believe the latter as after spinning them for a bit, he throws the first gun in the air, does the same for the second, and throws the other five in rapid succession. Resulting in seven objects falling on his head.

75.84.45.132 03:45, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Let me put it this way. Which is more likely? That he spun and threw the gun he had been spinning all the time, preforming a similar throw in one of his earlier animation, or that he pulled out half a dozen other guns out of nowhere (which would, by the way, make it impossible to solve the case, if he had those all the time), threw them in the air, where they levitated for a second and then proceeded to fall on his head? And the objects that fall on his head, they're not metaphors, they're actually there (with a reasonable explanation for it). The gun hit the overhead compartment, causing it to get stuck there until all the evidence that got dislodged fell on his head, with the gun hitting his head last.
And it's not an opinion, it's a fact. There's no evidence that he had all those guns. It doesn't even make sense. You're basing your edits on your own interpretation on his animation, rather than accepting the logical explanation. 147.229.197.37 10:38, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Breakdown or Minor Inconvenience?Edit

Apologies for the foolish foolhardiness, but can I ask us to debate the new inclusions in terms of "Breakdowns". I quote the page - "The breakdown is a special, normally one-off, animation that occurs when a witness (usually the true culprit of a case) realizes that he or she has been defeated." Now, maybe I'm being naive, but some of the listed Breakdowns within this page don't reeeally fit the description.

I direct your attention to the new entries (simply as they brought this to my attention). Moe and Trilo may be defeated by The Phoenix, but can you really call Moe's breakdown "one-off?" That hat of his must be attracted to a fabric-magnet on the courtroom ceiling. I believe it occurs about 10 times, and thus cannot be truly considered a breakdown. Meanwhile, Trilo's (although hilarious) happens numerous times also, and, due to the puppet's priggish attitude towards Phoenix, never seems to admit "defeat" as is suggested by the definition in the page. Another is the Ini Miney breakdown I witnessed very recently about 18 times, involving her becoming ghoulish inside of her beret. I do disagree with the references to Dolly also, but that is irrelevant to the case.

Admittedly, 90% of the choices I agree with, but a few seem unnecessary or not categorically noteworthy. I didn't, however, wish to change this segment without approval (Thus, the coward within me leaps forth). Anyone who disagrees please say so, but until then, the prosecution rests.

Thehumangoomba 14:45, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

I think some of the things people add come out of a need for some people to claim that every witness (or at least every killer) broke down, and that's obviously not true if we take the definition in the article. It's also possible that some people implicitly want an article about "shocked" expressions in general. At any rate, it's probably safe to remove them. capefeather 15:26, March 23, 2012 (UTC)


Should we consider using the Prosecutor's Path fan names for this page or not? Ordinarily I would say we shouldn't because they aren't official, but if Capcom isn't going to localise the game then English names, at least in my eyes, are more momorable and identifiable than Japanese ones. Just a thought.

Spyromed (talk) 20:30, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

More identifiable, maybe, and a lot easier to write and remember, but at the end of the day they are only unofficial. CrashBash (talk) 20:55, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Aura's CryingEdit

Doesn't Aura Blackquill's crying fall under "others" too? Reminded me of Franziska doing the same, and she only does it after the trial's over.

I actually agree with this, Aura crying may well count as a breakdown as it happens once and could easily go in the 'other' section. There was, though, I believe, an anonymous wikia contibutor that had added this in, but it got deleted not long afterwards.

Spyromed (talk) 11:59, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

About Dual DestiniesEdit

Massive spoilers for the DLC Case of Dual Destinies from here on out.

Shouldn't Ikuya Itsuka be under 'other?' He tried to save the victim, AND he only altered the crime scene to frame the whale. We never put Lana Skye or Sal Manella under the villains section, so why Ikuya?

Spyromed (talk) 16:35, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

a) Lana & Sal were accomplices, while Marlon acted alone; b) Marlon was the "culprit" of the case, as he arranged the crime scene, set up the witness, etc. The only thing he didn't do was commit murder. Still the villain, though.
On another note, both of Rimes' breakdowns are in English on YouTube, but I can't figure out how to add them to the page... SunBeater3K =talk= 04:28, November 27, 2013 (UTC)

Lana Skye? Edit

What about lana skye? I've never played rise from ashes, so does she have a breakdown? Apollojustice4all (talk) 21:40, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

It's a damage animation. First and foremost. CrashBash (talk) 22:39, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry... was confused. File name said "Lana Skye breakdown." Must've tricked me. Apollojustice4all (talk) 22:44, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
No, that's just because it was labelled as one even though it wasn't. Back then, some people got confused between damage animations and breakdowns. CrashBash (talk) 22:49, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

Vera Misham Edit

Does anybody consider when Vera Misham falls unconscious on the witness stand (the part where she faintly says "the... devil...") to be a breakdown. I think it is, and I put it in the article a few days ago, but someone removed it from the page (I put it back in today). 75.108.29.6 16:56, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Anyone? Hello? 75.108.29.6 20:54, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Please don't beg like that. The whole idea is that it's not a breakdown, it's a cutscene. That's why we don't count Robin Newman or Hugh O'Conner. CrashBash (talk) 16:42, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

In all honestly, I don't really even think this article is necessary - breakdown is not really an actual part of gameplay, just a fanon-given name for moments when witness acts special... - Sligneris (talk) 10:45, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

They're just as much a part of the games as the "OBJECTION"'s, really. But there do need to be stricter guidelines. CrashBash (talk) 16:43, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
I'll just add that they are referred to as "Breaking point" animations in The Art of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney, which is a Capcom-licensed product. I'm not saying that we should change the name of the page however, as there are a couple of grammatical and spelling errors in that book. I believe there is supposed to be a re-release of it at some though, possibly at the same time as the localised Dual Destines artbook. - Strabo412 (talk) 17:51, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

Page changesEdit

I haven't touched this page in quite a while for various reasons. I was thinking that it might be worthwhile rejigging it a bit to reduce arguments about what counts as a breakdown, etc. Basically I was thinking:

Breakdowns - for obvious breakdowns (i.e., goes on for a while, really overdramatic, lots of sound effects) - e.g., Redd White, Matt Engarde, etc.
Transformations - for characters revealing who they really are, as these aren't, strictly speaking, really "breakdowns" as such - e.g., Quercus Alba, Matt Engarde, etc.
Damages - for "shocked" animations (optional)
Misc - for things that don't really fit into any of these, but are "breakdown"-like - e.g., Vera Misham, Phoenix Wright.

- Strabo412 (talk) 17:51, August 18, 2014 (UTC)

If we did "damages" then we'd be here all day. Nearly every "witness" character had one, after all. CrashBash (talk) 18:04, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Well, let's start splitting this page up... 75.108.29.6 19:30, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Let's discuss it first, eh? - Strabo412 (talk) 19:45, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
OK, seriously, 75.whatever, this is becoming an issue...please stop jumping the gun. You do this every single time and it's annoying. CrashBash (talk) 20:38, August 18, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, CrashBash. 75.108.29.6 21:39, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

...And two months later! I have a related idea to what Strabo suggested. I think that the focus should be less about the animations and more about the tropes behind them. The animation is often only part of a breakdown, and in some cases this is especially apparent. Additionally, I think that the transformations should be in a separate page from the breakdowns. Maybe have them in a category ("Tropes"?). I feel like transformations are not at all in the spirit of what the term "breakdown" is supposed to be about, and serve a very different purpose. Maybe the page on transformations should describe them as a point when the culprit decides to let loose and show his/her true colours. This may or may not be heralded by a specific animation, but it's obvious that a transformation has occurred due to the use of entirely different sprites / model movements. Then transformation animations could be described for those who have them. capefeather (talk) 01:36, October 21, 2014 (UTC)

Some breakdowns left Edit

Jake Marshall's and Lana Skye's breakdowns aren't here. Why? 186.19.230.47 23:56, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Because, as has been discussed before, they're not breakdowns, they're just damage animations. The header at the top clearly says we don't include those. CrashBash (talk) 07:25, October 31, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for answering me. Buy one more doubt: didn't Jake's animation occur only one time.
PS: I'm Spanish, so I don't speak very well... hehe. 186.19.230.47 18:34, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
Some animations do play once, yes, but that doesn't neccessarily make them "breakdowns". CrashBash (talk) 19:43, November 2, 2014 (UTC)
Really, really thanks. And sorry for my insistence. --186.19.230.47 23:58, November 2, 2014 (UTC)


PossibleEdit

I believe I spotted one for Juniper Woods.
Knowall, For Knowledge is Golden - May 4, 2015 19:26

Also, and this is just an honest question... should we include Phoenix' rage in Professor Layton's crossover? I mean, think about it, we have NEVER seen Phoenix get THAT angry, and not only is the reasoning legitimate for him to be so mad, I don't remember a single time where he was about ready to attack someone over a subject. And that part hits hard on the emotional level. I'm just saying, if that's not Phoenix having a rage breakdown, I don't know what is.
Knowall, For Knowledge is Golden - May 11, 2015 20:33

New CategoryEdit

Gee, a lot of characters have breakdowns. I have an idea, we make a category for characters without breakdowns (only humans).Whitehorse24 (talk) 21:28, December 22, 2016 (UTC)Whitehorse24

Gifs for Dai Gyakuten Saiban.Edit

yeah the video its shorly and i can make gifs for that and separately put breakdowns in created DGS1 Gallery.

Good Bad idea? Let me now

​Being shotEdit

Amara being shot counts as a breakdown? I know that the article says breakdowns are "when a witness is faced with a revelation they're not ready to properly deal with", but being shot in the stomach isn't really a "relevation". I mean, she didn't act upon being surprised of a fact, she was sursprised being she was...well...you know...shot. Therefore, I don't really see how this is a breakdown at all. AceFedora (talk) 02:14, December 13, 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, but Vera Misham fainting from atroquinine also counts as a breakdown animation. But both of them are classified as such not because the witness is breaking down, but because the animation is used once only in a unique scenario. Dr Rank (talk) 02:30, December 13, 2017 (UTC)
Technically, neither of them counts as a breakdown under the current definition. To be honest, though, the page really needs revision. Bluebully (talk) 10:14, December 13, 2017 (UTC)
I'm still in favour of the proposal I gave above, three years ago now. I'm just not sure what exactly to name things, particularly a category for this page and ones like it that have cropped up (i.e. "The Fourth Wall", "Where are they now?", "Damage"). They probably all need to be addressed in some manner, perhaps similarly to how speech bubble and the individual speech bubble pages were handled. I'm not sure a page dedicated to fourth wall breaking is really warranted when there's only one vague non-gag-episode example. "Where are they now?" could probably be renamed something like "closing credits" and the "Where are they now?" sections that currently exist in all the final episodes could be moved there. Also, I really suspect that there's a more "official" term for "damage" animations and such given in the guidebooks. Maybe stuff like Amara being shot could be addressed in some separate article as well. capefeather (talk) 21:19, December 13, 2017 (UTC)
Maybe a category named "Themes" or "Tropes" could work? The former seems like the better choice, IMO, since "Tropes" might encourage people to start porting content over from TV Tropes when that really isn't what this wiki is for. A separate page for the "transformations", like you suggested above, also seems like a good idea. We could also place Ladder vs. stepladder in such a category. By the way, while I was the one who created the "Damage" page, my main reasoning for doing so was precisely that it's just as much of a recurring theme in the Ace Attorney series as the breakdowns, so I felt it was also worthy of its own page. Renaming it might be a good idea, though, provided that a more appropriate name exists (if one does in the artbooks, I can't really say, since I don't own any) Bluebully (talk) 21:35, December 13, 2017 (UTC)
I looked through some Wikipedia pages for some ideas and they categorize pages like this as "film and video terminology." This wiki used to have a category called "terminology" and I recall it mainly just contained the speech bubble pages. I'm not sure I like the term "themes" because it seems to imply literary themes, which is not what we're going for. I suppose another option is to put them under the gameplay category. The way it's used now is roughly based on gameplay elements that make the player do something other than the usual choosing from multiple options. Maybe the category could be used more broadly. After all, revisualization and the speech bubble category are already in there, and this page and the ones I brought up before don't seem all that different. capefeather (talk) 22:19, December 19, 2017 (UTC)
If you're still considering creating a new category, I'd be fine with the names "Terminology" or "Terms". Bluebully (talk) 17:40, December 24, 2017 (UTC)
I revisited Wikipedia:Speech balloon and I really think "Conventions" might be the best name for what we're going for. So there are maybe three approaches to this:
  • Put everything related to conventions under a more broadly defined "Gameplay"
  • Put everything related to conventions under "Conventions", replacing "Gameplay"
  • Have "Conventions" with "Gameplay" as a better-defined subcategory
I'm leaning toward the third option. "Gameplay" could contain things that are about making the player specifically to interact with the host device (e.g. Nintendo console, smartphone, whatever obscure tech the original trilogy has been released on). One gray area with this is revisualization, which doesn't actually introduce a new way of interacting through the host device, so I still kind of feel like it belongs more with the speech bubbles and breakdowns than the Mood Matrix and Logic Chess. Maybe that's just me, though. capefeather (talk) 21:26, January 1, 2018 (UTC)

A diagnosisEdit

After actually attempting to make a separate page for the "non-breakdowns" on this list, I think I understand better what's made this difficult. I think what's happening is that the term "breakdown" as currently used on this page is referring to pretty much any rare, dramatic animated sequence. There is a specific type of "breakdown" that happens at the climax of each episode, where the culprit is forced to admit to the crime without reservations, which the 3DS games in particular make extremely clear. There are also "transformations" where a witness reveals some other persona like a boss changing forms, but still has "fight" left in them. And then there are edge cases like Cody Hackins crying and Amara getting shot, which don't fit either category, and probably wouldn't fit into a single category with each other. I'm not sure how this should be addressed... capefeather (talk) 02:57, August 15, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, Cape. Anyway, I think you're on the right track by creating the Transformation page and moving some of the animations from the Breakdown page to that one. Unusual cases like Amara being shot (if we decide to keep them at all) can probably be dealt with later, after the Transformation page is complete, so I think we should focus on that for now. Here are the characters that definitely have what I would consider a transformation; let me know if you agree:
There is one thing I'm not sure how to adress: some characters like Dahlia Hawthorne, Mimi Miney, Alita Tiala and the phantom undergo very drastic changes in personality partway through their testimonies, but don't have a unique animation for the transition. Some of these, like Dahlia and Mimi, may even lapse back into their fake personas at times. Should they be included in the transformation article? Bluebully (talk) 22:57, August 31, 2018 (UTC)
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