Talk:Kristoph Gavin

Could he really possibly be deceased? He wasn't sentenced to death after the first case in "Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney" and since he was never found Guilty for the murder of Drew Misham and the attempted murder of Vera Misham, there is no way he could have been sentenced to death. All the jurists did was declaring Vera not guilty, but they did not find Kristoph guilty. Nobody could proof he was guilty so he couldn't have been sentenced to death.

You could say that about virtually every killer in the series. It's explicitly stated in 3-2 that murder is punishable by death, and it's heavily implied (by 2-4's bad ending and 3-2, among other things) that everything "goes smoothly" after the not guilty verdict, i.e. the real killer is tried and convicted. So nearly every killer in the series probably got the death penalty. It's just that some might not have been carried out yet. They took five years to carry out Dahlia Hawthorne's sentence... capefeather 21:01, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

The culpability of Dahlia and the other killers in Ace Attorney was proofen, while there was no evidence for Kristoph's. And the jurists did not find him guilty, they just found Vera not guilty. After the verdict the game said "The record would show that when the verdict was announced, SPECIAL WITNESS Kristoph Gavin... laughed.", and not "...the CULPRIT Kristoph Gavin...", so in that trial he wasn't found guilty. And I don't think every killer probably got the death penalty, as Kristoph Gavin obviously wasn't sentenced to death after the first case. If he was, he wouldn't have cared if he would be convicted in the fourth case, because it wouldn't be important anyway.

There is just as much proof that most of the other killers were tried and convicted as there is proof that Kristoph was tried and convicted. There is rarely any proof beyond "the killer went to jail", if even that, and the exceptions are only mentioned in passing. We know, for example, that Manfred von Karma has died, but the exact reason is only lightly implied. For all we know, some of the killers might have gotten off scot-free somehow. For all we know, Manfred died in jail (or out of jail) for unrelated reasons. In the end, the "possibly deceased" label only signifies the significant possibility that the person in question is deceased, probably due to being put to death.

The process is that the defendant is tried and found not guilty, and THEN the real killer is tried and convicted some time later. This process is explicitly shown in 3-2, when Phoenix bursts into Luke Atmey's trial, which was for the crime that he had gotten Ron DeLite exonerated for a mere day earlier. But even a day isn't enough time to convict Kristoph Gavin before he's even been (presumably) escorted out of the courtroom... These things do not happen all in the same day. In 2-4's bad ending, Phoenix hears from the newspaper that Adrian Andrews was convicted, again not enough time for anything to have happened to her right after Matt Engarde is set free.

In 4-4, if memory serves, the very question of whether the case matters to Kristoph is brought up. Normally, it wouldn't matter. However, for Kristoph, it's about pride, and it's about destroying the people who wronged him. If Apollo can't prove anything, then it stands that Kristoph just killed a random traveler for no apparent reason, which is not all that relevant to his reputation as a defense attorney. Otherwise, the full, true nature of what he did would be revealed. Yes, it's not a guarantee that he was sentenced to death, but it's the same lack of guarantee that can be applied to most of the other killers. The only extra reason to suspect that he isn't on death row is his pimped out jail cell.

capefeather 21:31, May 7, 2012 (UTC)

Character theme tracks

My problem with having "Confess the Truth 2007" as one of Kristoph's theme tracks is that I'm reasonably sure that it's used for every villain in the game. Although Oldbag and Engarde do both have generically-titled theme tracks, Oldbag's changes in each game and I'm unsure whether Engarde's tracks are actually used for anything else. Basically, in my mind, things like the "Confess" tracks are more situation-themes than character-themes. - Strabo412 (talk) 18:35, September 9, 2012 (UTC)

Kristoph's Scar

It is known that his scar is on his left right hand, but why don't I see it in his other sprites? Did the creator forgot or is it just not obvious enough unless you perceive him? I need more dark power! 13:22, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Mia's opposite?

In a way, it seams like Kristoph is an opposite to Mia Fey. They had some similarities, such as that they both were mentors to each game's protagonist, they are both seperated from him after the first chapter, they both return, they both had a simbling, but:

• Mia was always helping Phoenix Wright, while Kristoph was the villain.
• Mia was female, Kristoph was male.
• Mia had a sister, Maya Fey, who was Phoenix's partner, while Kristoph had a brother, Klavier Gavin, who was Apollo's antagonist.

Any thoughts on that? LinuxKirby (talk) 17:06, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

Kristoph de la France?

This is a response to the anon who added "Like his brother with German words, Kristoph does the same thing with French words like "et tu" (and you)," tête à tête" (face to face) and "pâte" (paste)". Firstly, "et tu" is a reference to "Et tu, Brutus?", which is Latin. Although "et tu" is indeed "and you" in French, the context of when it is said ("Et tu, Justice? You would betray me, your teacher?") makes it clear that he is referring to the words supposedly said by Julius Caesar after being betrayed by Brutus, rather than speaking French. "Tête à tête" is an expression borrowed from French and used in English, much like an absolute ton of other words and phrases.

I couldn't find "pâte" in the game's script (which would just be another borrowed French word anyway), although there is this:

Kristoph Gavin

You mean someone cracked that flawless bone china pate? It... wasn't you, was it?

Phoenix Wright

Me? Please. The cops should be here any minute. I'm in your hands... Should it come to that.

Apollo Justice

"Bone china plate"...?

Phoenix Wright

A kind of porcelain, very smooth and shiny. And not "plate", but "pate". I believe he was referring to a certain gentleman's balding forehead.

This is all in contrast to Klavier, who frequently uses German words not commonly used in English (e.g., achtung and fraulein). - Strabo412 (talk) 19:57, October 11, 2015 (UTC)