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Name QuestionEdit

Does anyone think that Phantom's name won't be changed in the English dub? Unless it's going to be a synonym such as "Specter?" (no arguments here please) New Seeker (talk) 11:01, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Japanese version of the sniping?Edit

I have heard and seen several sources claim that the Japanese version of the game says the Phantom was shot fatally in the head and died, and that the English version changed it so he survived.

Can someone confirm if this is true or not? I'm dubious about it, obviously, but it WOULD clear up the reason why the Phantom seemed to have no wounds anywhere apart from his head  (which is hidden by shadows).

If this is true...then shouldn't it be included on the page somewhere?

I do not have the Japanese version, but that sounds like nothing but a false information to me. - Sligneris (talk) 22:43, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

I just wanted to check this Edit

Just curious, was corporate espionage something the Phantom did? New Seeker (talk) 21:51, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

A theoryEdit

This may be too morbid for your tastes but I have a theory. What if after the Phantom kills someone, he takes their skin to make the mask and costume. Just a theory. I know, Phoenix isn't dead but it is a theory.

GavinSlavin (talk) 00:55, September 30, 2015 (UTC

Probably not as when "Bobby's" face is cut, you don't see the underlying skin layerFranzyfan1998 (talk) 01:05, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

NameEdit

Do you think the phantom's name is written in lowercase as a way to admit he doesn't have a real identity?

181.165.133.242 15:45, October 23, 2015 (UTC) Linkisahero

Probably not, since he didn't choose the name himself. - Strabo412 (talk) 15:59, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Real Face?Edit

OK, this might sound like a waste of time, but does anyone have any ideas to what the spy really looks like. I saw a fan made picture of his real hair color being dirty blond, like Kristoph Gavin, coincidence?Whitehorse24 (talk) 19:19, November 7, 2016 (UTC)Whitehorse24

BreakdownEdit

Poor Phantom can't remember who is and got shot. But it serves him right for killing Athena's mother, right in front of her, at a young age! Wouldn't it be cool if during his breakdown, her does all the other breakdowns.

  • With Tonate's mask, his goggles explode
  • With L'Belle's mask, he pours a bucket of water on him
  • With Means' mask, her breaks his teeth

Whitehorse24 (talk) 14:18, November 18, 2016 (UTC)Whitehorse24

Possible reference Edit

So... I don't want to add this to the wiki's page, but, I think I caught a small reference ? Might also be a simple coincidence as well, but, hear me out.

There's this old French book, called Fantômas. In it, the eponymous baddie uses masks, and completly hides his identity and waves around people's lack of knowledge of it around as a pride, just like the similarily named Phantom does. He uses these masks to do evils, commits crimes in the name of other people, and in the much more known movie adaptations from the 60's, he messes around with super new technology, a bit like how the Phantom has all sorts of gadgets. In these movies, Fantomas also walks around in a full black suit with black gloves, while the Phantom walks in a full white one with white gloves again as well. Another similarity, but more of the extreme stretch kind, is that Fantomas also seems to be capable of exactly 1 (one) emotion, which is "feeling like God while laughing at others", which is pretty similar to the Phantom's restricted range of emotions.

Here's the wikipedia page for the original book as well as a few details about the movie serie I spoke of. I'm sure someone more dedicaced than I could dig more.

Anyway... It's a lot to just be a simple coincidence if you ask me, but I also believe that's a deeply personal opinion I have here and that this would be one pretty darn obscure reference, and unlikely to have genuinely been something that was purposefully put here. Also, the main difference between these two is that in the end Fantomas is his own boss, while the Phantom... not so much. and it changes a lot of things. Fantomas is all powerful and does whatever the fuck he wants, while the Phantom lives in the constant fear of being unmasked...

I dunno, yall do what you want I guess. If you think it's not a coincidence and worthy of being added to the wiki, why not.

86.72.62.128 21:11, December 11, 2018 (UTC)

We don't deal in possible references, especially without any sources. bwburke94 (talk) 00:31, December 12, 2018 (UTC)

PronounsEdit

I've noticed that the pronouns used to refer to the phantom have been changing back and forth between "he" and "they" on this page for a long time now. We should probably come to a decision on what we want to use because it's kind of turning into edit warring at this point. Personally, I would use "he". I'm pretty sure that's what was consistently used in the game. Bluebully (talk) 22:49, February 10, 2020 (UTC)

I do kind of see a rationale for using they/them. The phantom's gender is never actually discussed. Whenever the phantom is discussed, it's either as the unknown subject responsible for such-and-such incidents, or as somebody disguised as someone else who happens to be a man. On that same token, though, the sensible reading seems to be either the phantom's pronouns are a definite remaining scrap of identity he has, or the phantom's identity has disappeared even to the extent that he no longer has pronouns independently of the fact that he disguises himself as men (outside of his breakdown). So to me that seems to indicate that he/him pronouns should be used. But I dunno really. capefeather (talk) 03:31, February 11, 2020 (UTC)
If people are so unsure, then there really is no harm in saying they/them. But we could just add a note at the bottom explaining the rationale. Its a shame that English doesn't have a better alternative because if I remember correctly both Spanish and German have other pronouns for non-gendered items. Franzyfan1998 (talk) 02:22, February 12, 2020 (UTC)
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