English screenshot[]
I noticed in the English screenshot the name "Art" (perhaps short for "Arthur"?) for one of the other characters in Turnabout Academy. Anyone know which character that is? SunBeater3K =talk= 19:38, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
I think that refers to the fact that Newman is a skilled potter- I.e is good at pottery. Sorry if I did not clarify this. TheMysteriousGeek- Where your home is, may your heart be also. (talk) 19:46, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
- No worries, probably just me overthinking things. SunBeater3K =talk= 19:58, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
- ...Um... It's not referred to as a name... ^^; She just says that in art you must put your heart into your works and you must do so honestly. Sligneris (talk) 20:31, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
- PS. At least this is how I understand it.
- Figured that out from TMG's comment. I was overthinking things because I saw the word capitalized. SunBeater3K =talk= 04:03, September 27, 2013 (UTC)
Abusive Newmans[]
Doesn't anyone think it was mean that Robin's parents forced her to pretend to be a boy? It was for no good reason! She even wore a crutch (or whatever that thing is)!Whitehorse24 (talk) 01:53, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
That isn't exactly a secret. Also, it was a brace.TaylorHyuuga (talk) 03:39, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
Oh, a brace? Sorry and thanks, but still having her pretend she's something she's not?!Whitehorse24 (talk) 03:42, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
- They don't exactly mention the reason why they made her live as a boy in the game baring a passing mention that it because they wanted her to become a prosecutor. Although this comes across as weird to us in the West with how much everyone tries to prevent such a thing with our rather PC culture, it's a very real issue within Japanese culture, particularly with law related professions, that women are seen as weaker at their jobs and are taken less seriously then men. Although it's never stated in the game it's safe to assume this was the reason. (They don't say this in the English version at least. I'm not sure if that was a localization choice since Westerners wouldn't get it, or if it's the same in the Japanese version). It's an almost identical situation to Naoto Shirogane's character arc from Persona 4, if you want a comparison. 94.193.119.106 04:23, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
- Oh! That makes sense. Man, Japan's culture is so different the America's.Whitehorse24 (talk) 14:51, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
Keep the article apolitical[]
The entire world does not revolve around America's leftist-normality identity politics. "She identities as female" implies leftist identity politics. Wording things with a leftist bias is just plain wrong, particularly when it goes against how the game and all complementary materials like art books refer to her entire gender situation. Tinsofbeans (talk) 08:42, May 19, 2019 (UTC)
- Not that there's inherently a point to responding to a user who's been banned across FANDOM, but I'll do it for the sake of clarifying the nature of my edit to anyone else reading this page. This isn't about being political or apolitical; it's about being precise. The facts are that Robin identifies as female and that she is disguised as male until the big revelation, no more and no less. To my knowledge, there's nothing that confirms anything with regard to so-called "biological sex" or any other intimate medical information about her, because it doesn't matter. For all anyone knows, maybe she is trans after all. Any of these characters could be trans (except, somewhat ironically, Jean Armstrong by word of Janet Hsu). So, the wording I gave is consistent with the policy of avoiding speculation where reasonable. Stories about identifying as one gender but living as another are not new, and the situation is even more complicated in things like the 13th century poem Le Roman de Silence. capefeather (talk) 01:30, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, you see, this is where things get a bit sticky. While I don't necessarily agree that the article isn't apolitical, it really depends on your perspective. And like Tinsofbeans said (even if they're a globally blocked user), there are different perspectives around the world. The wording of the article would, to the average person, imply American left-leaning terminology. Most none left-leaners would not use that kind of wording, and, as someone who is NOT from America, and does not have America's political values, it's glaring as a sore freaking thumb as something written with liberal political values in mind, whether that's the intention or not, and sticks out a mile. Leaving the language of the situation as it used within the game and all canon sources is what would be "apolitical" in my opinion, not dancing around definitions to find one that would be the least offensive. Changing it to lean more towards not upsetting a particular political opinion, despite that going against how something is presented via canon sources, is what makes it a political move. It doesn't matter what you think of a the wording. This is a source for canon information, changing something to better reflect politically correct standards IS a political bias, or at the very least, it's a bias towards using totally "politically correct" wording choices, regardless of the canon context. --Wrightfront (talk) 06:46, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
- I don't see how it is "American left-leaning terminology" any more than "global warming" is. It doesn't matter what anyone's perspective on trans people is; it only matters that they exist and not necessarily in a visible manner. The fact that someone even added a badly formatted claim that she isn't trans, when it isn't discussed in the game at all, seems like good enough justification to be more precise about how all this gender stuff is only about her gender identity and nothing else. And the fact that you reverted my edit wholesale, when it had multiple purposes of which the gender thing wasn't even a primary one, kind of indicates a bad faith reversion. capefeather (talk) 17:21, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
- But...Robin isn't trans? It wouldn't make sense if she was. She's biological female, and did not want to be seen as a male. That's literally the definition of not being trans. This is what I meant by America's political values going right over my head, but maybe that's bad wording for me to use. I don't mean any offense by this, it's simply that it feels like you're approaching this from the perspective of someone who does not want to imply anything either way about Robin in relation to transgenderism; aka keeping it purposefully ambigious, even though the game and all source material makes it abundantly clear that Robin is, not only not transgender, but also that that she specifically "kept her true gender hidden". This comes across as an attempt to be respectful of transgenderism. Which is great and all, but it's a case of that vs. being true to the source material. Like I keep saying, in the game and all source material like the art book, they always use the wording that Robin "kept her true gender hidden". Nevertheless, the latest edit of the text is a lot better. (Although I can't say I cared for the sarcastic dig at me in the edit summery, but eh, whatever, I guess I deserve it? *shrugs* No use making a deal about it either way). Wrightfront (talk) 17:36, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
- You seem to believe that that phrase means that Robin must be AFAB (and, further, that the concept of trans people is a recent American ideological one), but it doesn't (and it's not). At best, the possibility that she was AMAB, took measures to attain female biological characteristics, and attended school as a boy seems like a stretch from our perspective, but this is 2025 anime Japanifornia we're talking about, so who knows. If anything, I think the fact that anyone interprets "true gender" as biological sex is more of a reason to avoid using the phrase. capefeather (talk) 20:07, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
- But...Robin isn't trans? It wouldn't make sense if she was. She's biological female, and did not want to be seen as a male. That's literally the definition of not being trans. This is what I meant by America's political values going right over my head, but maybe that's bad wording for me to use. I don't mean any offense by this, it's simply that it feels like you're approaching this from the perspective of someone who does not want to imply anything either way about Robin in relation to transgenderism; aka keeping it purposefully ambigious, even though the game and all source material makes it abundantly clear that Robin is, not only not transgender, but also that that she specifically "kept her true gender hidden". This comes across as an attempt to be respectful of transgenderism. Which is great and all, but it's a case of that vs. being true to the source material. Like I keep saying, in the game and all source material like the art book, they always use the wording that Robin "kept her true gender hidden". Nevertheless, the latest edit of the text is a lot better. (Although I can't say I cared for the sarcastic dig at me in the edit summery, but eh, whatever, I guess I deserve it? *shrugs* No use making a deal about it either way). Wrightfront (talk) 17:36, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
- I don't see how it is "American left-leaning terminology" any more than "global warming" is. It doesn't matter what anyone's perspective on trans people is; it only matters that they exist and not necessarily in a visible manner. The fact that someone even added a badly formatted claim that she isn't trans, when it isn't discussed in the game at all, seems like good enough justification to be more precise about how all this gender stuff is only about her gender identity and nothing else. And the fact that you reverted my edit wholesale, when it had multiple purposes of which the gender thing wasn't even a primary one, kind of indicates a bad faith reversion. capefeather (talk) 17:21, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, you see, this is where things get a bit sticky. While I don't necessarily agree that the article isn't apolitical, it really depends on your perspective. And like Tinsofbeans said (even if they're a globally blocked user), there are different perspectives around the world. The wording of the article would, to the average person, imply American left-leaning terminology. Most none left-leaners would not use that kind of wording, and, as someone who is NOT from America, and does not have America's political values, it's glaring as a sore freaking thumb as something written with liberal political values in mind, whether that's the intention or not, and sticks out a mile. Leaving the language of the situation as it used within the game and all canon sources is what would be "apolitical" in my opinion, not dancing around definitions to find one that would be the least offensive. Changing it to lean more towards not upsetting a particular political opinion, despite that going against how something is presented via canon sources, is what makes it a political move. It doesn't matter what you think of a the wording. This is a source for canon information, changing something to better reflect politically correct standards IS a political bias, or at the very least, it's a bias towards using totally "politically correct" wording choices, regardless of the canon context. --Wrightfront (talk) 06:46, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
- That isn't really what I meant. I won't go into detail, since it's already resolved and I don't wanna tread of toes, but I will just say that I think you're looking at things in a really weird way, IMO. Most people would not make that assumption, it's just ridiculous, even ignoring political values all together. I get that the phrasing is, when you get down to it, ambigious and open-ended, but my point is that it still, to the average person, would infer some sort of specific identity terminology, and that wording it this way is against how the game sees, and portrays, her gender situation. That being said, you do have a point about that. If anything, the game probably meant Robin's sex, not her "gender", but they just didn't wanna throw out the word "sex" all the time, or something. Wrightfront (talk) 07:53, May 21, 2019 (UTC)
- You keep saying that it's against how the game sees and portrays the situation, without justification. You could assume (probably safely) that the writers have a cisnormative view of all the characters, I guess? But that's never actually written into the story so it doesn't really matter. capefeather (talk) 21:08, May 21, 2019 (UTC)
- That isn't really what I meant. I won't go into detail, since it's already resolved and I don't wanna tread of toes, but I will just say that I think you're looking at things in a really weird way, IMO. Most people would not make that assumption, it's just ridiculous, even ignoring political values all together. I get that the phrasing is, when you get down to it, ambigious and open-ended, but my point is that it still, to the average person, would infer some sort of specific identity terminology, and that wording it this way is against how the game sees, and portrays, her gender situation. That being said, you do have a point about that. If anything, the game probably meant Robin's sex, not her "gender", but they just didn't wanna throw out the word "sex" all the time, or something. Wrightfront (talk) 07:53, May 21, 2019 (UTC)