Is this article too long? I wrote the article as I was playing (and actually, my motivation to replay this case was for the MASON System pictures), and that may have caused me to write down irrelevant details. I've attempted a trim-down, but the article is still enormous. The MASON System and final trial portions take up about half of the article, way more than I'd initially anticipated, considering that having eight locations to traverse doesn't seem to have made the chapter much longer than typical chapters. Then again, Phoenix does talk to a lot of people and extract a lot of information about two barely linked incidents. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but this continues to nag at me a little and I may not be as good as editing my own writing as the writings of others.
Notable comparisons as of this writing:
Rise from the Ashes weighs about 18 KB, way less than half of this article, and yet by my estimation it's about half-done, and I'm pretty sure that the case is longer than this one is.
Reunion, and Turnabout, the previous longest article, weighs about 40 KB, almost half of this article. This gap was what initially got me worried. I mean, I know that this case is longer, but twice as long?
Nonetheless, other articles are of short cases and they're rather long, like the 24-KB Turnabout Beginnings and the 18-KB The Lost Turnabout. Maybe it's just an issue of inconsistency and different authors having different views on how much stuff to put into a case article.
capefeather 18:14, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
I would say accuracy and completeness are more important than length, but that's just me...
Strabo412 23:37, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
- That's true, but on the other end, if an article is pointlessly long and full of trivial details then that ends up making it a chore to read. I'm just saying that if someone thinks that this is the case then that person is free to edit it (not that people aren't free to edit it anyway, but I was just raising awareness). I guess this case just had a lot of "stuff" packed into it, like how Vera Misham is one of the longest character articles despite the character being around for only one case. I guess that's what happens when you have three background incidents and the case explains all of the rest of the game. capefeather 04:13, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
Has the question of Drew's Sketches underneath being pictures involving Apollo's cases been answered? I cant remember that at all... =\ Pierrot
- It basically means that Drew was following Apollo's cases and that he knew Phoenix "somehow". Yeah, I know it's kind of minor for something that Apollo made such a huge deal out of, but there you go. capefeather 13:50, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Are there any actual mechanics at work in determining the results of the X-Ray Analyzer lottery ticket test in "Day 1 - Investigation"? This page suggests that little use of text fast-forwarding results in a win and much use results in a loss.
However, after quite a bit of trial and error (starting from just before visiting the Drew Studio for the first time), I've found that you have a higher chance of getting a win the faster you get through the scene and a higher chance of getting a loss the slower you get through the scene (especially on an initial playthrough when you can't fast-forward). ImperfectXIII (talk) 19:53, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
Hey, I don't get it. How can a Jurist System have no evidence required to convict Kristoph.Whitehorse24 (talk) 01:28, November 11, 2016 (UTC)Whitehorse24
- But they didn't convict Kristoph, they just acquitted Vera. - Strabo412 (talk) 01:44, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
- What?! But he's a horrible man.Whitehorse24 (talk) 01:46, November 11, 2016 (UTC)Whitehorse24
- Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that is was a trial for Vera, not Kristoph. She was the one on trial, and thus, the verdict is hers and hers only. ~ FenrirDarkWolf ~ (talk) 02:59, November 11, 2016 (UTC)
- They also said that the WE-6 incident was cleared. But how is that possible since they never got Kristoph arrested?Whitehorse24 (talk) 00:35, January 4, 2017 (UTC)Whitehorse24
Flashback Game Over[]
Is there any kind of special dialogue for a Game Over during the flashback (Gramarye) case? Like a "that's not how it happened" or anything? The Jurist System shorting out and displaying an error message? It kinda seems like there would be something but there's no record of it. --24.186.200.16 02:38, December 5, 2016 (UTC)
Clarifying the Episode Contents[]
I get that a lot of this case's content is divided between the pages for Drew and Magnifi's death, since the case is so disjointed and out-of-order, but I think the way it's presented now comes across as being more incomplete than concise. Do we think it could be a good idea to do something like combine the headers for Episode Contents/Case Information, and maybe add some sort of disclaimer stating how the disjointed nature of this case necessitates its division into multiple articles for the sake of clarity?Aaronarium (talk) 22:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah I was intending on filling in the episode contents like in Turnabout Corner and Turnabout Serenade. Admittedly, I got sidetracked by other wiki work. This episode is the first real test run for breaking apart episode articles, and is supposed to highlight a lot of the strengths of this approach. So I'd be interested in hearing about how you think it comes across as incomplete. Is it that there isn't a clear way to see the order in which the events are presented in the game? I wasn't really sure what to do with the episode contents and case information sections, but I think the problem of coming across as incomplete could be addressed with the right approach to these sections in particular. Capefeather (talk) 00:34, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- I'll preface this by admitting I'm unfamiliar with what current wiki policy is regarding formatting main case pages (therefore I don't know if this will be the new standard for case pages), but to answer your question, the main reason that I feel this page comes across as incomplete is that it doesn't clearly identify itself as being the 'hub' for Turnabout Succession. Obviously it is the hub for the case, and therefore links to the relevant articles, but the way it's structured doesn't really guide the reader in a way that would help them understand the case. Of course the article is still under construction, and Succession's structure and chronology is complex, but I feel like there's a more succinct way to do it than the AJ:AA case pages currently do. For example, the page for Serenade right now lists the episode contents, then the timeline, then the summaries. But to an ordinary reader, a list of just the parts of the episode doesn't really mean anything, and the timeline kind of just reiterates the premise of the case, that Romein LeTouse is killed, and Machi is tried for it. My opinion is that the timeline should become the cornerstone of the "hub" since imo it does the best job of guiding the reader down how the episode plays out, and it can be restructured with the links to the summaries next to the description of each relevant event. Maybe the notes column can be used to inform the reader of special context needed for comprehension, like the nature of the MASON system. I hope I'm making sense here. It's very late where I am and I got needlessly carried away typing this up.Aaronarium (talk) 06:45, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- The way these pages are now is definitely more bare-bones than what I had originally envisioned. I guess I got stuck on how much detail the episode/case summaries should have. There are already pages that go into great detail, as well as character pages that give a less detailed, but still pretty detailed, case summaries. So I wasn't sure what purpose the episode/case summaries should serve. A past idea was to use a table for the episode contents, describing each chapter the way the anime page describes each anime episode in a table. Maybe this could still be a good approach. If you would like more information on the discussions about this, I think Forum:Episodes,_cases,_incidents is a good place to find a lot of it, or at least it's a good jumping off point. Capefeather (talk) 23:44, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- Actually I should probably talk about what the Template:Sub-timeline call actually does, since it's probably relevant to the criticism that it doesn't give much useful information. It takes the rows of the timeline table that contain (by default) the name of the source page (so putting {{sub-timeline}} into the Turnabout Serenade page grabs the rows containing the phrase "Turnabout Serenade"). So really at least some of the instances of the sub-timeline call should have more events included, by putting the relevant phrase into each row. Capefeather (talk) 23:59, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
- The way these pages are now is definitely more bare-bones than what I had originally envisioned. I guess I got stuck on how much detail the episode/case summaries should have. There are already pages that go into great detail, as well as character pages that give a less detailed, but still pretty detailed, case summaries. So I wasn't sure what purpose the episode/case summaries should serve. A past idea was to use a table for the episode contents, describing each chapter the way the anime page describes each anime episode in a table. Maybe this could still be a good approach. If you would like more information on the discussions about this, I think Forum:Episodes,_cases,_incidents is a good place to find a lot of it, or at least it's a good jumping off point. Capefeather (talk) 23:44, 6 January 2021 (UTC)